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UNGER: —This is Commissioner Unger. <br />DARROW: Oh, sorry. <br />UNGER: Just to clarify. We have a State, we have the State Legislature passing HR[S] 153, and <br />now we're attempt—now, we're talking about coming in line with that with our rules, and maybe <br />this is a Corporate Counsel question. Do we have to? I mean, are we mandated that we have to <br />come into, into alignment with what the State has done or do we have the authority to say, well, <br />State, you are doing what you're doing. We've decided to keep our same rules. So, I think that, <br />that probably just needs to be a discussion for clarity purposes. <br />HALL: Yeah, the State, the actual HRS 205A gives the Planning Commissions ultimate <br />authority, so it doesn't go through anybody else but you guys so, technically, when it comes to <br />State law, usually the rule is you can make it stricter but you can't pull, you can't go the other <br />way and make it less lenient. So, I guess, if you guys wanted to, you guys do have the authority <br />to, to not conform completely. But, it does, I guess, run into some problems when if we do end <br />up in court. All the other jurisdictions are doing it this way and then we're doing it a different <br />way. It gets a little messy, but it's still within your authority to amend your rules the way that <br />you see fit. <br />HENKEL: Any other questions? Go ahead, Jeff <br />CLARKSON: I <br />HENKEL: Oh, I'm sorry. <br />CLARKSON: I'd like to follow up on that. So, my understanding is that we certainly as a <br />Commission don't have the power to make a definition such as a minor permit that is at odds <br />with the State definition as enacted by their State law. All we have the capability of doing is <br />determining what part of our remit we can assign to the Department to execute. So that if we <br />have a value, say for the minor permit, that is different for assigning that, let's just go to the <br />existing 125,000, $125,000 valuation level, my understanding is we could keep that but that <br />would not change the definition of a minor permit being anything that's less than 500,000. The <br />State defined it that way, and we have to follow that. All it would mean is that the Commission <br />as a whole would have to assess every application over a 125,000, and the Director would only <br />be able to deal with applications where the valuation was below a 125,000. <br />So, I mean, we can take on that workload. Apparently, there are about 20 of those applications <br />per year, but I would just be advised that if we don't want to let the Department handle them, we <br />have to handle them. <br />SELF: Um <br />HENKEL: Here's Amy Smart [sic], Corp. Counsel. <br />EXHIBIT A <br />28 <br />