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Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting <br />Minutes – November 28, 2017 <br />then what was the success ratio and so forth, but, I mean, is that what the effective <br />hunting program that they’re doing – is it based on hunter success or just, you know, <br />hours of hunting but nobody’s getting anything. I don’t know that and maybe it’s a <br />simple question and it can be answered or... <br /> <br />WJC: The way I took it that night was hours of hunting. He didn’t really care about <br />success of hunters and that’s from Dave. That’s how I took that conversation <br />that night is there wasn’t a concern on the quality of your hunt, it’s just a <br />matter of being able to hunt. I might be wrong. <br /> <br />TN: I have a different scenario with all the fencing going on the, I guess, the <br />mammals are having to go on private land. So if a hunter hunts on private <br />land is that hunting? From the private owner – is that part of hunting? I just <br />learned that snares are illegal. <br /> <br />Through the humane society – under their rules. Is that law or rules? Is it <br />Hawaii Revised Statutes or Hawaii Administrative Rules – snares? <br /> <br />MH: Both are law. Both, the rules are considered law and that statutes are <br />considered law. <br /> <br />TN: No, Administration rules are rules, right? They’re not statutes... <br /> <br />MH: They’re rules, but it’s all considered law. So like even Hawaii County Code – <br />that’s law. <br /> <br />TN: No, I understand law. OK. But because of all the fencing now the private <br />landowners – residential for landowners – are having to face the wild pigs and <br />the other ungulates. Now how do we help them resolve their problems? Are <br />we part of that – is that part of game management? <br /> <br />How does a residential up in Hualalai Mountain, up Kaloko mountains come <br />to GMAC and say, well, we had the hunters there and it snared my neighbor’s <br />dog? <br /> <br />TL: They could just pick up the phone. We have a list – Brian is one of them. We <br />have a list of people who are willing to go out and trap pigs and... <br /> <br />TN: I understand that, but the thing is the snare did not trap a pig – it trapped the <br />neighbor’s dogs. <br /> <br />TL: Oh, OK, now that’s a different issue, you know, it’s... <br /> <br />TN: How do we have a law that it’s illegal and still use snares and the stores still <br />sell snares? I’m not understanding that. We have a law that states – we have <br />15 <br /> <br /> <br />