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minutes 10-27-99Page 23 of 48 <br />RAY: Because just having been on the Council, and gone through - <br />SOUZA: I believe you were still on the Council when - <br />RAY: I guess, the way it’s written now, that the membership shall be representative of the general <br />geographic areas of Puna, Ka’u, Kona, Kohala, Hamakua, and Hilo, it’s very possible to have a pretty <br />strong majority of the Commission from East Hawaii, under this present language. And, of course, being <br />a West Hawaii resident, I’m interested in having it more tied to the Council districts, and whatever, just <br />to make it more equitable. It seems to me, also having been a little bit involved in water issues, that there <br />are areas of pretty significant concern in all the geographical areas, or whatever. But, you folks haven’t <br />discussed that? <br />SOUZA: No, not too deeply. <br />RAY: Do you have any reason to believe that if we were to recommend that, that that would cause any <br />problems in terms of getting representation to serve on the - I know that’s a hard question to answer. In <br />other words, if we pegged it to the Council districts, in other words. One thing with these Boards and <br />Commissions, it’s awfully confusing for the public, and we’re trying to establish some kind of <br />consistency in terms of why is one this way, and why is another the other way, or whatever. So, if <br />there’s not a reason to keep it the way it is, I personally, would be in favor of the nine Commissioners <br />tied to the Council districts. Do you have any comment on that? <br />SOUZA: No, I think that’d be okay too, but I can’t speak for the rest of the Commissioners. <br />RAY: Sure, I understand, and just so you understand the process, we’re just trying to come up with <br />some preliminary ideas that we take straw votes on, what we’re interested in, and once we do that, then <br />we send everything out again for comment to all the departments, the Commissions, whatever, as well as <br />go out for public hearings around the island. So, this is just really, sort of, the first pass to develop a <br />preliminary package, so anything we come up with, you’ll have plenty of chance to discuss and have <br />input on, and whatever. Okay? <br />SOUZA: Thank you. <br />RAY: Let’s take a - <br />TSUNODA: May I (indiscernible). <br />RAY: Yes sir, sure. <br />TSUNODA: Again, it’s very brief comments, but I know Peter said that the Division operated in the <br />black in 1998, and looking at doing so this year, I mean the year just ended. But, the previous six years, <br />prior to ‘98, there was a deficit of $3.2 million in operating the Division. On top of that - <br />RAY: Per year or over six years? <br />TSUNODA: Over six years. It fluctuated, but six years, continued losses totaling $3.2 million. <br />Outstanding debt service, as of June ‘98, I don’t have the ‘99 figures, it’s probably gone down a little <br />bit, but it was in access of $38 million, so it’s a substantial amount. So what you see is a <br />disproportionate amount of expense to sewer customers, so how we’d handle that from one department- <br />one rate design, would be a very big challenge, because of the disproportionate expense to customer <br />file://\\coh01\cohweb\council\charter_commission\minutes\minutes 10-27-99.html7/1/2011 <br /> <br />