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minutes 02-05-00Page 13 of 66 <br />motion that’s been made is not equivalent to a hearing. If you wanted to go further, it could be made more clear. Yes, that <br />could be done. <br />BESS: So I move that the attorney put in that kind of language to make it clear that a hearing’s not what we’re looking for <br />here. <br />RAY: Is that regarded as a friendly amendment? <br />YUEN: Yes. <br />HIGASHI: Second. <br />SANTANGELO: So I’m to understand that this commission is appointed by the Mayor and approved by the Council, so we <br />have that balance of power, and that what we’re looking at is the hiring and firing. It’s a temporary person anyway. They’re <br />brought in to administrate. When they’re hired, they know that this is to run that Fire Department and it may not be for life, <br />so the hearing thing is a good thing not to have because that’s not like somebody who’s looking for lifetime employment. <br />And so I totally support this, and I like the checks and balances in it. <br />IRVINE: We did talk last time - right now, our Police Chief gets a hearing, right? <br />SANTANGELO: No. <br />BESS: It’s the same language, respond. <br />IRVINE: To me, I thought we were talking about being consistent and I really like this Fire Commission stuff from <br />Honolulu, the way the powers and duties, and whatnot, are set up, and I thought we were talking about maybe making our <br />Police - <br />RAY: That’s why we agendized the Police Commission so we’ll be going into that. <br />IRVINE: So, if we’re taking this out here, would we then be thinking of taking it out - <br />RAY: That’s a separate discussion, but we’ll be getting to it in just a minute. Okay, we’ve got a motion on the floor and <br />amended to Chris’s language, amended by the addition of Steve’s recommendation. So, is that clear to everybody? <br />IRVINE: Yes. <br />RAY: All in favor of those changes and reaffirming our earlier vote on the Fire Commission, say aye. <br />COMMISSIONERS: Aye. <br />RAY: Opposed? Okay. We get two gold stars. Let’s take a five minute break, a little coffee break. <br />RECESSED The Chairman called a recess at 10:17 a.m. <br />RECONVENED The meeting reconvened at 10:27 a.m. <br />RAY: Let’s reconvene our meeting. Now let’s jump back, since we’ve covered the Fire Commission, the Department of <br />Public Safety. Marni. <br />HERKES: I think the reorganization under the Maui Charter accomplishes a lot of what the Department of Public Safety <br />would have done. I still like that idea. I notice Maui has a Public Safety Commission, but only the Fire Department’s under it. <br />I admit that up front. But the Public Safety Commission and the Public Safety Department, I still think is a good idea, but I, <br />kind of, agree that it’s a little late to move that. We don’t have time for testimony from all those departments, and things, <br />right now. To put Police, Fire, Civil Defense, Detention, Animal Control, and Emergency Services, as well as Building <br />Inspection, under one department would be a major change. But in the reorganization, under the Maui Charter, all of those <br />file://\\coh01\cohweb\council\charter_commission\minutes\minutes 02-05-00.html7/1/2011 <br /> <br />