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<br />HERKES: John, that word ‘appoint’, it creates an impression that this is a permanent position to evaluate a department, or a
<br />program, and I think that there’s quite a bit of latitude there for contract people to be able to evaluate performance and things,
<br />so I have a problem with the word ‘appoint’. May ‘secure’ the necessary staff, so that they can go outside if the expertise is
<br />not available, and they don’t want to hire a permanent staff.
<br />IRVINE: I guess I have a question on that. To what kind of agency do you go to get expertise in that sort of thing? I know the
<br />Government Organization of Financial Advisors, or whatever, do that sort of thing, according to the National Association of
<br />Counties stuff I’ve read. But is there any company, or organization, on this island, or in Honolulu, that you could hire to do a,
<br />sort of, audit that goes beyond just the numbers and on into efficiency and such?
<br />RAY: Yes there is, and right now, the Board of Water Supply in Honolulu is going through a total reorganization, and they
<br />have contracted with a national consulting firm that specializes in this kind of thing, so there certainly are, whether that
<br />would fit what we’d want here, or not, I don’t know, but there certainly are companies that do specialize in that kind of thing.
<br />IRVINE: It seems to me, then, that instead of appointing the necessary staff, we want the job done, we don’t care how they
<br />do it, and so maybe that is something we could look at.
<br />HIGASHI: Mr. Chair, I think the Maui Charter, pretty much, covers the things that’s covered under your proposal, except in
<br />a broader manner.
<br />IRVINE: Yes, it does.
<br />HIGASHI: I could support Maui’s language, which is broader than ours, and not as detailed as the one that’s proposed.
<br />HERKES: Is that a motion?
<br />IRVINE: Yes, this just makes me a little nervous because, I guess, I don’t understand exactly, but Maui is, definitely, I think,
<br />along the same lines and easier to go with, but that’s just my impression right now.
<br />RAY: All of this is just thrown out there to move the discussion along. I’ve tried to incorporate the different things we’ve
<br />talked about, and looked at, as far as just putting it on paper and how it might look, but -
<br />HIGASHI: For purposes of further moving it along, I move that we adopt, for consideration, the language in the Maui
<br />Charter under Chapter I, Department of Management.
<br />HERKES: Second.
<br />RAY: Does that include the general organization of the -
<br />HIGASHI: Just Chapter 1 for now.
<br />HERKES: And having seconded, though, just Chapter I?
<br />RAY: You’re not talking about all of Article VIII, the County Departments structured in this way?
<br />HIGASHI: Well, start with Chapter 1 and see where we go under Chapter 1, how it’s described and then we can move on
<br />further and complete the whole thing.
<br />HERKES: The big difference I see between Maui and Hawaii County is that the Commissions are separated out from the
<br />departments. The Commissions are under Article VIII; Civil Service, Police, Liquor, Water, and Fire. The departments are
<br />under the Mayor/Managing Director, and the Maui Charter integrates the Commissions with the departments, and that, to me,
<br />makes a lot more sense, and it’s a lot simpler organization chart. I’m ready to talk about Article VIII, all of the County
<br />departments; integrating the whole County department, Article VIII, into Hawaii County.
<br />IRVINE: I guess I’d just like to ask John, why did you go to City and County of Honolulu and put that (d) in more detail than
<br />Maui had it? Is there a rationale for that?
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