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<br />BEN: What we did was took every position that’s compensated on the Executive Salary Schedule now, and threw them in
<br />this spot. Otherwise those salaries would be subject to Council approval, and possibly the same consequences as we’ve been
<br />experiencing could occur with those positions.
<br />YOSHIYAMA: I’m just trying to figure out why. I mean, other than they’re part of this plan now, so there’s no other reason
<br />for shifting them over, because it’s part of the package so it gets moved, the whole package.
<br />BEN: Yes, we moved the whole package, but again, one of the underlying reasons for doing so is to remove the establishing
<br />of the salaries from the political process, or make it less of a political process.
<br />YOSHIYAMA: Okay. It leads me, then, to my second question is we were considering some broader language than what was
<br />proposed by the Salary Commission, or looking at. I think you wrote in here you’re going to base it on ‘accepted principals of
<br />pay and compensation for work performed’, etc., etc. What our Chair has proposed was something a little bit broader, so that
<br />their total salaries and benefits has a reasonable relationship to both the compensation of Civil Service employees and the
<br />private sector. So, one is broad and one is very specific. I was wondering if you can address, or Barry, you can address, why
<br />you’re using this specific language?
<br />RAY: That was my language I threw at the end. I was just looking for some guidelines for the Commission. In other words,
<br />we’re competing with the private sectors to hire employees, and we also have to deal with the Civil Service pay grades in
<br />terms of that whole relationship, and so that’s why I put that in there. That was just a draft that I threw out for discussion
<br />before our last meeting.
<br />BEN: I think we’re both trying to accomplish the same thing, but I don’t know which one you think is more specific. I think
<br />Mr. Ray’s one is more specific than the one I’ve submitted because ‘accepted principals of pay and compensation’ doesn’t
<br />include scanning the market, the private sector, and whatnot, so see what pay is in those areas. Plus, it doesn’t preclude you
<br />from considering other matters, and I can’t think of any right now, that should be considered in setting salaries.
<br />RAY: Sue.
<br />IRVINE: I wondered if, on Saturday, we didn’t change that compensation of Civil Service employees to public sector and
<br />private sector. Did we?
<br />HERKES: Yes we did.
<br />IRVINE: Okay, so that it would be more general and cover the whole works.
<br />HERKES: Mr. Ray, the difference that I see is that the language which you’ve submitted, which is mostly what’s in the Maui
<br />Charter, is in plain language, and the other one is in bureaucratese. It’s the way government talks, and the plain English one I
<br />can read and I can understand. And when we get into 25%, Section (e), ‘in accordance with general accepted principals’, and
<br />the whole thing, it’s just more complicated. And the simple one that’s in Maui is a paragraph that says ‘Salary will be set by
<br />this Commission.’
<br />RAY: The last sentence I wrote up is not in the Maui Charter actually.
<br />HERKES: I know, but the rest of it is.
<br />RAY: In regard to the Maui Charter, and I didn’t call them and I should have, as far as how all this works over there, but it
<br />looks like they just have jurisdiction over appointed Directors and Deputy Directors. I don’t know. That would be interesting
<br />to check out. But then, also, it says ‘the Salary Commission shall consult with those Boards and Commissions who have
<br />appointing authority for Department Heads.’ So I would presume that means they set those salaries; they just consult with
<br />those Commissions. So, in the case of the Liquor Department, I would assume, under this, that they would set that salary but
<br />they would consult. Is that the way you would read this or not?
<br />BEN: Yes.
<br />RAY: It could be any way. I’m just trying to figure out - I wonder how it works there.
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