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department person said something. I want to say something; I don't agree with. And then going <br />back and forth. Is it not possible just to have a committee meeting that if you want to have <br />people on that committee report back to the Commission and you don't need to worry about a <br />lengthy hearing? <br />RAY: Okay. Comments? Mani. <br />HERKES: I have a problem with engaging a department head in comments. I <br />mean, it's all right to disagree, but I think the comments ought to be broad. And, I don't know, I <br />see that there's a -. <br />BALOG: No, well, they're sending us information; I got a pack of information <br />already from the departments. So my thing is if you don't want to make a committee -. I know <br />how to read, actually. So if you want to really expedite it, ask the departments what comments <br />they have, write it down, and send it to the members. I'll read it. I don't -. It's more of a public <br />service that you're bringing the department people to me, to a meeting, to say what they, their <br />changes are in the public when we're holding our meeting, because you can get that same <br />information out of them in writing, and then just bring them to a meeting, and go through what <br />comments they've submitted and question them on those comments. <br />IRVINE: <br />RAY: <br />I'm afraid -. <br />Mr. Santangelo. <br />SANTANGELO: Yeah. I wouldn't be expecting, when we're in the country, per se, to have <br />department heads traveling out there. When we have meetings in say Kona or Hilo, we should <br />make it available. If a department head like Mr. Takahashi is here today, what I'm expecting from <br />Mr. Takahashi is his experience with the Charter, the concerns that he has. I'd want to engage <br />him only for clarification. It's going to be our decision. And we're on an information -. Maybe I <br />misunderstood something, but it's not for us to get into a debate with these people. They're here <br />to inform us of their concerns. It's for us to take it up with our legal assistance, is how I see it. <br />So -. <br />BALOG: Right. <br />SANTANGELO: Any time we can take our meetings, I mean, certainly if a department head <br />shows up, we should take that input. <br />BALOG: Okay. I agree. All I'm saying is I think you guys said about having <br />committees, subcommittees or -. <br />HERKES: Mr. Ray did. <br />6 <br />