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RAY: Okay. John. <br />SANTANGELO: Mr. Wurdeman, in dealing with that particular issue, it seems that in most <br />cases, and this should and probably could be verified, that when you deal with wastewater and <br />you deal with solid waste, you're dealing with an environmental issue and, generally, these are <br />under one roof, and very seldom, if ever, are they tied where you take wastewater and tie it to <br />water. And it seems to me if we, at some point, you know, we may need to do that, you know, <br />have those two together. Are we, if we throw these two together now, what's the real purpose of <br />that? Is that a way of collecting bills, or is there -? <br />WURDEMAN: That's one purpose. <br />SANTANGELO: That's one purpose. Yeah. <br />WURDEMAN: Getting rate setting out of the political arena because, as I said, sewer rates <br />have -. What are we paying now, $21.00? <br />IRVINE: Twenty-five dollars a month. <br />WURDEMAN: Twenty-five? The real cost is 30 -something. And as the people over in <br />Kona, who have the private sewer system continuously remind us. And, you know, these things <br />come before the Council, and you've been there, there's a lot -. <br />SANTANGELO: No, I agree. As far as the rate goes, I agree. <br />WURDEMAN: There's a lot of opposition, and people don't want to pay $26.00 instead of <br />$25.00. <br />SANTANGELO: That's a big issue, yeah. <br />WURDEMAN: Yeah. <br />SANTANGELO: And we don't do what's right a lot of times because that -. But more <br />important, I was just saying -. Okay, I asked my question. Thank you. <br />RAY: <br />Mr. Wurdeman. <br />Okay. Any other questions on this? Okay. Thank you. Thank you, <br />WURDEMAN: Okay. Thank you. <br />RAY: Mr. Ben. Mr. Ben is here, the Director of Personnel for the Department <br />of Civil Service. Michael, thanks for coming. <br />24 <br />