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BEN: Right. <br />SANTANGELO: Then it's just a great political football to denounce it because that makes, <br />you know, there's that perception versus reality. <br />HERKES: We just went through that. <br />SANTANGELO: Yeah. Several times. <br />HERKES: Yeah. <br />RAY: Okay. Any more questions? Thank you, Commissioners. Anything you'd <br />like to add. <br />SANTANGELO: Thank you. <br />RAY: No? Well, thank you for coming. And, you know, this is just the start of <br />our, you know, process so we'll be marching through the Charter and asking your input later. <br />HERKES: Can we take a short break? <br />RAY: Well, we've just got Major Carter here. <br />• <br />HERKES: Okay. <br />IRVINE: Well, so let's -, can we have -? <br />RAY: Pardon? <br />IRVINE: Oh, you think he's going to be brief, or do we have a break? <br />RAY: He's going to be brief. <br />CARTER: I'll be brief. <br />IRVINE: .Ten minutes? <br />RAY: No, no. We've got Major Carter here from the Police Department. <br />HERKES: Well, he's not going to be brief, because we're going to ask him about <br />investigations. <br />CARTER: Hello, everybody. <br />35 <br />