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RAY: There again -. CARTER: I thought that was -. RAY: Let's make sure we get the Commission here to comment on all this, as well. George. MARTIN: Getting back to 3-16, Mandatory Program Review, again, you know, (indiscernible) being discussed as far as perception, I think that some review should be in place. And like you're saying, it's already self-induced, and I happen to agree with my counterpart down there that it makes no difference who's doing it, as long as it's done. Taking out some of the words, possibly, do you feel that there is a possibility to have some sort of program review that would suffice? CARTER: Yeah, I think as long as we can define what extent that review is going to be because thus far what we found is no matter what we do in the way of -. MARTIN: It's not -. CARTER: It's not enough, because it seems as though because it's not coming out the way that the opposition would like, it's not critical enough. So thus the need for the definition of critical or program review or program, I should say, because then we can meet that definition and say we did everything that we were required to do. MARTIN: So, technically, they're playing with semantics there. CARTER: Exactly. RAY: Okay. John. SANTANGELO: Yeah, and probably on the same line as George, what was recommended by Corp. Counsel was these reviews should not, therefore, be mandatory but optional when directed by the Council by resolution, and I agree with that. The Council is sitting there with its policy and its overview responsibility. What I'm hearing from you and other people, and we experienced that to the full extent, is that a special interest has picked up on a pin and they're able to really poke with that. Okay. If we were to remove the mandatory part of it, Captain, Major now, Major Carter, and it's at the discretion, you know, at the discretion of the Council by resolution, would you feel that would fit, sir, or do you think you'd still be in that same political rowboat? CARTER: I think that would be fine, providing we still have clarity as far as what that review is going to entail, even if it comes from the Council, because we still have to have that guideline as far as what is needed. 42