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• MARTIN: They say yes is no. We know that. <br />YUEN: And unfortunately, I won't say it's completely impossible but it's <br />extremely difficult. I would say it is virtually impossible, to get the Hawaii Supreme <br />Court to give, what you would call, a pure advisory opinion in advance of doing <br />something. Some states, the government, and its actually very useful, can present 'if <br />we do this, is it legal?' and the Courts will answer that. In Hawaii, they don't. <br />RAY: Okay. Ms. Irvine. <br />IRVINE: I guess the one other thing that we have to think about is we may <br />be enthused about this but has anybody talked to anybody outside this Commission <br />about whether the voters might even consider this? I'm not sure. <br />RAY: Anybody want to respond to that? Ms. Herkes. <br />HERKES: We have had testimony in favor of this and have some very strong <br />opinions from some people that I've talked to, so yes, there are some voters out there. <br />MARTIN: How many is hard to say but yes, there is some consensus. <br />HERKES: Well, you won't know. We're not restructuring, we're re - <br />restructuring because we had this in our Charter when we first set up a Charter - Can <br />we get a copy of that first Charter so that maybe we can just put it out, just change a <br />little language and see if that's the kind of structure? <br />RAY: You mean under the original Board of Supervisors? Yes, sure, <br />that's all available to us. Other comments? <br />YUEN: I'm pretty sure that there wasn't - the Board of Supervisors was set <br />out State enabling legislation back in the Territory of Hawaii. There were territorial <br />laws that said you had a Board of Supervisors in Hawaii County and I think that the first <br />Charter was in '68 and went to a Mayor form of government and since then, all the <br />Board of Supervisors language has been purged out of the Statutes and has been <br />replaced to conform with the Council form of government. <br />RAY: Mr. Bess. <br />BESS: One question. Chris, I don't know to what extent rather than <br />seeking opinion from the AG's office that you go for a declaratory judgment ruling. <br />Somehow or other, accelerate the process by actually getting a decision from a Court <br />and then that would be appealed and it would be a matter of such importance that you <br />could get the Court to rule in a timely fashion, I would hope four or five months prior to <br />16 <br />