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HIGASHI: five? And Public Works has Casey and how many people? Four or KOKUBAN: Nine. GOLDSTEIN: Nine, and Public Works is looking at - all 25. HIGASHI: So it's a significant move and significant development of a new division. It's not like four or five people moving around. GOLDSTEIN: No. HIGASHI: So I think we need to kind of understand the broad scope of this whole move in little more complete detail. GOLDSTEIN: I think that's true. I think it does mean a different kind of restructuring of both departments, and even as we're talking about doing something like this, we also keep coming up with further questions. What about this and what about that, how does it work, so in that sense, I do think it is a major, like I said, restructuring. HIGASHI: So people who handle water variance and subdivision, zoning variance, are two separate people or can they become one or can you cross train and engineer to do that? What? GOLDSTEIN: It's possible to cross train, and right now we don't have variances everyday and the people that handle the variances handle all kinds of variances, whether it's from the zoning code or the subdivision code, whether it's a water variance or a roadway type variance. And then we have the Kona staff which handles all types of variances also. RAY: Sue. IRVINE: Virginia, right now it says in the Charter a lot about what the Planning Department, Planning Commission, do. It says very little about exactly what Public Works is assigned. GOLDSTEIN: That's correct. IRVINE: If we were to take all subdivision permitting out of Planning and send it over to Public Works, right now there's no language in here to specify that anybody would review subdivision plans or anything, other than like the Planning Commission which does it now -1 guess when I thought of a Permitting Department, 1 15