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split in the same way, and maybe more so, than the way we were feeling in terms of our department being split, and let me explain that. Rodney is staffed to Planning Department. Rodney also has functions that go beyond being staffed to the Board of Appeals, and the Board of Appeals hears appeals on my decision. He's stuck, in some respects, and so there was a perceived kind of conflict for them, and also to have a Board under the Planning Department, when they hear the appeals of the Planning Director, we also felt that there might be some of that kind of conflict. So that was one of the reasons for trying to find some neutral place for the Board of Appeals. Nevertheless, as an attorney, right now their staff - one, there's two who is attorney to the Planning Department. There's Fred Giannini who is the attorney for Planning Commission. Public Works has it own, quote, attorney, and likewise, the Board of Appeals has an attorney, and they're all housed in the Corporation Counsel. So for them, as an attorney, to have to serve all of those bodies, they also felt that it might be very difficult for them to keep that conflict out of the picture. That's kind of like what their position was, but if it came to that, they were willing to house the Board of Appeals. IRVINE: Virginia, it seems to me that there's going to be that conflict no matter where we put them because they do hear appeals from both Planning and the Public Works. GOLDSTEIN: And the public essentially felt that it was not a big deal when they voted for the changes. RAY: Kevin. BALOG: It tweaked me a little bit when they said appeals by the Director and I got to thinking. It's true, no matter where you put them, they will hear appeals from you. An example would be, correct me if I'm wrong, some type of structure that is discretionary by the Director on ag land, a minor SMA permit perhaps, no? What else besides something on ag land? GOLDSTEIN: Minor SMA permits and, if it's, for example, special permits, those get appealed to the Third Circuit, not to the Board of Appeals because the authority for those come from a different place. The use permits are heard by Planning Commission. The only thing that the Director, then, makes decisions on would be the subdivisions basically, plan approvals and variances, and there we are suggesting go to Public Works so there isn't anything left to - BALOG: So there would be no - GOLDSTEIN: I don't see it anyway and 1 haven't gone through that exhaustive list yet. 21