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there needs to be these positions and we really don't have an Auditor. We have a Legislative Auditor but that person does not work for the Administration. That person works for the County Council. RAY: And that's a confusing name, as well, right? TAKAHASHI: That's right. RAY: So what makes sense to you? TAKAHASHI: Well, that's why 1 had proposed that parts of that first sentence be deleted. IRVINE: Mr. Takahashi, 1 thought that (indiscernible - recorder did not record on the tape changeover) need an internal audit function in Finance. TAKAHASHI: I would concur with what the external auditors have propoaed, however, at this point the Charter does recognize the Legislative Auditor, and if you look at the model Charter or model government documents, the Internal Audit Program can be located either in the Legislative Auditor's Office or the Administration, so I think, if you're going to add an Auditor into Administration's organization, there needs to be a clear delineation as to what the Legislative Auditor is responsible for as compared to the Auditor. But the way County government has grown, and will continue to grow, it is time that there be some recognition for a need for an Internal Audit Program. RAY: Okay, but we don't have any recommendation from the Administration on that? TAKAHASHI: No, because it's up to this body whether you want to place it with the Leg Auditor or it's a separate Administrative function. RAY: What about whether to do it at all? TAKAHASHI: It's this body's decision. We could do it internally. RAY: Is there a recommendation from the Administration? TAKAHASHI: I actually had developed a proposal based on the comments by the Auditor and submitted it to the Mayor, so it's under his review right now, that we would do internally. So we really don't need to put it into the Charter. We could do it just within the Administration if we wanted to. 29