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IRVINE: If you wanted to, but generally speaking, model County Charters <br />have an Internal Auditor provision because it's something that, maybe, a County <br />government wouldn't necessarily want to do if they were trying to cover something up, <br />and I don't see where Legislative Auditor really covers fiscal auditing. Now maybe, if <br />we had program budgeting, then that might do for program review, which is the other <br />issue that comes to play in here, but we don't have much auditing going on as far as I <br />can tell. <br />TAKAHASHI: Not internally, because at this point, with the limited resources that <br />we have, we're not able to set aside, or commit, the resources to this program. Things <br />are very tight right now. Hopefully, when things get better, we can initiate a program <br />but right now, when we set priorities, I don't believe new programs are taking that much <br />of a priority. I mean, we have existing programs that are suffering. We need to bolster <br />them first before we embark on new programs. <br />IRVINE: Do you think, if you did real program budgeting, that that could <br />suffice for this program review that they're trying to throw out of the Charter, or argue <br />about? <br />TAKAHASHI: Maybe I can explain to you what we've done. The 1999-2000 <br />budget, we finally got away from what we call "line item" budgeting. We are budgeting <br />at a higher level, is what we call "object level" budgeting, so you don't see the little bitty <br />expenditure proposals. You see lump sum. The next move, which we're initiating <br />beginning next week, we will be emphasizing more program write-ups like more <br />measurable standards, so hopefully, the focus on budgeting will be service levels <br />rather than paper, pencil, paper clips. We're asking agencies to look at their program <br />write-ups, see whether they can quantify their performances, what they expect to do, <br />and what they actually were able to accomplish, and hopefully, in the long run, what are <br />some of the shortcomings we recognize and try to rectify. But we don't expect it to <br />happen over night, but we're beginning that process with this forthcoming budget. <br />RAY: Daryl, did you have a question? <br />KUROZAWA: No. <br />RAY: Any other questions for Harry on this point? <br />TAKAHASHI: On the next one, Preparation and Submission of Budget and <br />Capital Program: It's a minor thing. Right now the Charter requires the Mayor to make <br />copies available to interested parties, and the document can run two hundred and <br />some odd pages, and often times, people are not interested in the whole document. <br />They just want to see summaries so the proposal is to provide that the Clerk make <br />copies available since they run the copies. We generally submit our proposals to the <br />30 <br />