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• in the fourth quarter prior to the vacancy, from September to December, or October to December, that would give the Administration enough time to find the people that are willing to serve, to confirm the people, but also, just as important, a suggestion that came up very strongly was, it gives those perspective Commissioners, and the staff, a chance to orient and train them. Now, the question by Ms. Herkes was, how can we make it so that it's receptive with the community. I think there's this feeling that it's very burdensome; we don't know enough about Land Use laws and planning to serve on the Commission, and this might be a way -- orientation and training for people in our community so that they are receptive. So, we would recommend that the Charter look at that in trying to impose these dates, or deadlines, in the fourth quarter of that year prior to the vacancy, so that we can accomplish those things. RAY: So, we all have somewhere in your files and stacks, that language that Mr. Tanaka is alluding to. In fact, I just found mine here. Questions? Marni. HERKES: Leonard, do you feel that there are people out there that want to serve on the Planning Commission but feel that maybe this is a little over their head, a little too burdensome for them, and training will help? • TANAKA: I think yes, there are people out there that have heard rumors and we've been trying to change and improve so that it is a little more easy for existing Commissioners and new Commissioners to serve because the agendas have been heavy, and part of it has been changing the schedule so we meet twice a month now. I think the orientation to let them know exactly what's going on, and maybe invite them to some of the meetings, to come in and take a look at what happens. It's not all that bad. You can survive. The question that was posed to Ms. Fujioka, if the Commissioners and Board Members are going out in the community and trying to recruit or recommend people, yes we have. HERKES: Good, thank you. TANAKA: So there are people out there. RAY: George. MARTIN: I believe I heard you say that the person would get some sort of training, and it sounds good to me. If this training were to be added into the scheme of things, the person would have to be appointed first, is the way I understood it, prior to, in the aspect that you're talking about. Our concern, and the reason we play with some of the numbers in some of the other meetings that we've been holding here, was the lack of, as I keep hearing, participation. How would you deal with that? Let's say you