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anyway. So Mr. Chair, at this point, I'd like to move that we adopt the proposal that we <br />have circulated. <br />RAY: Okay, do I have a second? <br />YOSHIYAMA: Second. <br />RAY: Discussion? Can I ask a point of clarification on the at -large <br />terms? Would they be a term limit of two? <br />HIGASHI: Eight consecutive years. <br />BESS: Yes, we need to specify. We need to clean up that language. <br />HIGASHI: Yes, we need to, kind of, specify. I think the language should be <br />eight consecutive years. <br />RAY: But that would be your understanding that the at -large - <br />HIGASHI: Mr. Chair, unless, at some point in time, we do away with term <br />limits, and want to be consistent, but I don't want to tie in the term limits with this <br />proposal because people may be against term limits and down the whole proposal. <br />RAY: I believe it fairly common that the at -large Council members have <br />longer term limits. Anyway, that's something I'd like to look into, and the rationale <br />behind that. <br />IRVINE: Longer term - longer term limit? <br />HIGASHI: But Mr. Chair, I would rather this be in place and the term limit <br />section be separate. I wouldn't want this proposal to go down because term limits did <br />not pass last time. So I want to, kind of, separate it if I can. <br />RAY: Okay. Open for discussion. John. <br />SANTANGELO: I want to speak for and against it. <br />HERKES: Well, do it one at one time and one at another, not at the same <br />time. <br />SANTANGELO: I'll speak 'for' first and then I'II speak 'against' afterwards. <br />The reason that 1 like this type of proposal is, as it stands right now, if you talk to <br />anybody, they've got one Council member to go to because that's who they elect, and <br />so you've got that supposed champion. With three at -large, you've got three people <br />7 <br />