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level of expectation, or education level. I'd go for it if it's something reasonable that a lot of our local people who have done it in the past, returning. I think Bill Davis is doing a good job. RAY: But Bill Davis has no experience in solid waste, and wastewater, and so many of these areas, and anybody else that's a qualified City Manager, just routinely deals with these things. And we don't have anybody in County government that knows anything about solid waste. Nobody. HIGASHI: I'm not knocking that point. Fine. But I don't think it's that level where they're in the operational standpoint. They're overseeing, they're professionals. In the Public Works Department, it's a professional, and who we hire there is important. He should be versed in solid waste, and I don't think the City Manager would be in the operational part. RAY: Oh, I disagree. HIGASHI: I think he's a management position. So anyway, I don't want to argue with that, but I don't think we should be looking at people who are away. RAY: I'd just like to allow for that opportunity. Marni. • HERKES: I agree with Roland, that there's a lot of people around Hawaii with qualifications, and when somebody comes to work for our organization, one of the qualifications is that they know the area. They have to know the people. They have to know the geography, and they have to know the politics because they can't answer questions unless they know where the resources are. So, I think that's one of the things that you don't say, you have to live here, but you say you have to know the area, and you have to know what's going on, and you have to know who the people are and what happens. But I think in the Managing Director's capability; we talked about this in the Department of Public Works, not necessarily not having a Chief Engineer but having an Administrator. I feel the same way about the Managing Director type. She needs to be able to manage contracts. She needs to be able to manage outsourcing. She needs to understand financing. We really need to have somebody that understands management, and I don't think anybody in the world understands solid waste. Even people that are in it. But the contracting of the people is the important part. RAY: John. SANTANGELO: We covered it pretty well, but back to what you said, Steve. When the Mayor can select whom he wants, regardless of sexual preference, and the Council approves, it's having those qualifications that the Council can then hold accountable, and have a reason for rejection, and not rejection of an individual, but of the qualifications. So checks and balances come in, and again, I think we start to level 27