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State Health Department is handling very well. And, within the State Health Department, they also handle the Federal regulations. We don't have a Federal Health Department here, as such. So 1 think they're handling it and I hate to see a lot of duplication of things. Recycle Hawaii has a lot of good information, and they are in the midst of changing Executive Directors right now, so there's a little lag in there. As with the Solid Waste Department, they changed heads I don't know how many times in the last years, and to ask them about things, and those sort of deals, they don't have that information. They never had, until Recycle Hawaii came up, how much it costs per ton for the County to handle solid waste. So, within the department, it's tough, if you have Recycle Hawaii who has already had grants to go for this information and to research the community, and have public meetings on all this sort of things. And they've got various reports on all kinds of things so make use of them. RAY: Marni. HERKES: I have a really good brochure from Maui's recycling program that's excellent, and I'll mail it to you because it really lays out all of their policies, and I don't know what their structure is, but I would think that maybe that would be something - I think that my experience with recycling is that the private sector has not behaved well, and I can remember cars, first we had oil, then we had waste, now we have waste mixed with oil. We had some glass problems. So, I think that there's some enforcement, or some structure, that needs to be fairly strong, dealing with public • waste. This is public waste, and I'm not necessarily against managed competition, or privatization, but structure is lacking here. I don't know why. Portland can handle it so well. Oregon can handle it. It seems Maui's handling it really well. But we just keep failing to handle it well, and I think that we don't have a commitment to handle it. IRVINE: I guess that's why we're trying to mandate a commitment. HERKES: Yes, that's why I'm trying to look at how that commitment's going to look. • IRVINE: job - HERKES: It's a private - Maui Recycling, and they're the one that's doing bio - waste. They're doing a bunch of stuff that we keep failing to do, or we just can't figure out how to do, and these are private sector people that are not figuring it out. RAY: But, she's just pointing out that that's something that's an administrative, public decision. It's not in the Maui Charter. I'II say that. So, if they're doing a good HERKES: RAY: Yes. John.