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SANTANGELO: Again, you could look at some of this and be sorry we brought it up at all. I don't know if privatization - I would hate to see this thing held hostage by that. For me, personally, I'm looking at do we feel, on this island, and I was a member of the Pay -As -You -Throw Committee, and worked with recycle there. I've been involved with this for a while, and it occurred to me that these are special issues that need to be addressed a certain way. It's kind of like the City Manager. Are we ready to rewrite the whole Charter? I don't think so. But by the same token, how much energy do we need to devote to this? If we make a decision, based on the information available from other entities, that a department does well in handling this, and that there's a process that flushes that out, then can we decide to do it that way, and I don't know that privatization's a part of it, or any of this other. To me, it's much simpler than that, and maybe I'm wrong. And if it is as simple as I think it is, I'd like to see us move forward, and if it's not, I'd be against it. IRVINE: now. It's hard to call it privatization when it's all in the private sector right SANTANGELO: But Sue, why are we even dealing with that? What can we do as a Commission? Can't we put up a department? How it's handled, we don't dictate that. I don't see how the Charter - and if it does, why don't we go into Public Works and demand that be private? And mind you, I'm into privatization, but not here. This is something that's so interwoven in the State that it's got to be handled the way it is. So, are we interested in a department to handle environmentals, or are we going to do it from - RAY: Sue. IRVINE: I must say I'm not ready to make a recommendation at this point. I hesitate to develop new departments, myself. On the other hand, I think we really need something to be done, and whether we have to mandate it under Public Works, as one of their focuses, or whether you can say you must hire somebody that has some experience in refuse management and recycling, I don't know. HERKES: Are you looking for a commitment from us to elevate the issue of public waste in the County Charter? IRVINE: Sure. Okay. HERKES: Okay, you've got the commitment. IRVINE: I'II keep looking into this. Can we just take it up again on February 501. Roland said that maybe we should contact the people that are in Waste Management here. John's been in contact with Environment Hawaii. I've been to some of their meetings too, and I know they have an agenda that they're going to the County • Council with, which is quite separate from this as far as I'm concerned. 10