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• four -two scenario. So I wanted to acknowledge him for that, Okay, John. SANTANGELO: I agree that it's two separate elections and therefore, I would separate the term limits because an at -large is a different constituency. In talking to the public, again, it's hot and cold, in that you get people that are vehemently against this because they feel like, again, that there's a thing going on. But, people who did support it were more in tune with the two-year vs. the four-year, so you keep the continuity of the two-year. And again, it's public perception vs. reality. I favor the 6-3 because I think it's fair in government, having served there. And just for the purpose of dialoguing, the way elections are done today, and the lack of participation, any group of people on this island that feels like Hilo holds the power, the leverage, because they elect, if in any district, you could get 10% or 15% more to vote, because it's always 50% or less, any district could have that leverage. So, it really is up, to the public apathy, and I don't know how that's going to translate when we put it on the ballot, because when you put it on the ballot, I feel it's doomed to failure. And if you put four- year and two-year, a lot of this may carry the weight with it. RAY: I'm not sure what you're saying. Just spell it out for me, under this 6-3 scenario, what are you suggesting in regard to term limits? SANTANGELO: Okay. Six single member, three at -large, two-year terms with separate term limits. So if you're serving as a two-year single member representative, you have an eight-year limit. You run for an at -large, you start over again. RAY: Okay, that's what you're saying. SANTANGELO: Wasn't that what was suggested before? HIGASHI: But, in any event, if there is a term limit, we'll stay with the eight- year term limit, and he would begin a new term, 2 four-year terms would be maximum for the at -large. RAY: So, you're suggesting that you could serve 4 two-year terms and then an additional 2 four-year terms? HERKES: If you can get elected. RAY: Is that what you're saying? HIGASHI: Yes, if you serve for two - RAY: 4 two-year terms. HIGASHI: 4 two-year terms. 18