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• HERKES: So, are we moving toward a limit of 16 years, let's say eight years or 16 years serving on the County Council, no matter where you're from or what district. you're from? Are we moving toward some kind of end limit? RAY: My sense is that the public has very much established an end limit, and I don't think you're going to change that. HERKES: No, that's fine, but how do we phrase it? How do we put it in here? RAY: My sense is the only thing that would pass would be leave it at the eight-year term limit. HERKES: On the County Council, period. RAY: Right. But, that's just a personal opinion. HERKES: I understand that. I'm just trying to figure out the phrasing. RAY: So that means that you could serve no more than the 2 two-year terms to run for - HERKES: Or 2 four-year terms. RAY: Yes, you could. IRVINE: John, does Chris feel that we would need to put in here that the term limit applies to an individual rather than a given office within the County Council? YUEN: I need to know exactly what the Commission wants on this, and it's good that we're having this discussion because it does have to be spelled out. Basically, there are two ways to do it. You either count them together or you don't, and it's not really for me to decide which, but it needs to be spelled out. Otherwise, these people are going to have this big argument when they finish their eight years. They'll say, well, I'm going to run for another office, and then people will be digging out our minutes from January, 2000, and they'll say, what the hell, and why didn't they spell this out, and where was Yuen. RAY: John. SANTANGELO: And, that's consecutive. YUEN: Right. I think under the present Charter, it's consecutive, and you can start over again after a break. And the reason I say that is that the general rule is there isn't a limit unless there says there's a limit. So, if it says there's a four consecutive two-year term limit, then it doesn't say anything against running again 21