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after a break, so you can do that. SANTANGELO: The reason I bring that up, for fun, you run for eight years. Now you go to the at -large, and you run for four. Can you go back to the two-year and run for another eight? YUEN: It depends how you write it. There's two, if you want to call them, proposals, or two alternatives, that have been put out, and one is eight years, and that's it, no matter whether you're at -Targe, and I guess everybody seems to be on the idea of the at -large as being four years. I'm getting body language that that's where people are at, so let's talk about that rather than confusing it. SANTANGELO: So, for me, what I've heard here today that appeals to me, that's new, is you keep it at eight years because I personally feel that 6-3 works better for all people, and so you run 2 two-year terms, and if you want to run at -large, go for the four, but you're limited to the eight. And that wasn't something that was in my mind when I came in here today, but that seems to be something that maybe people understand, that nobody's trying to pull a fast one. RAY: Roland. HIGASHI: Since we have committees, you want to form another committee • and work together with Chris and come up with several languages for, probably, two meetings from now? YUEN: I think it's clear in everybody's mind what the alternatives are. I think, if we want to discuss it more, but I think people should come to a decision. I don't know that there's much more to be said about where this goes. I would say that the reasoning does become a little bit different when you have two separate offices. I mean, the outcome of having term limits, if you're in a district, is that you do have the turnover. There's two ways of looking at it. How long do you want the same person in. And then there's also, do you want to have a vacancy so that somebody else has a chance on the spot. If the person runs for a different office, say they go to at -large, they are opening up the district, and in that sense, that one aspect of term limits has been fulfilled that nobody is just going to sit there in their district, representing that district for 20 years or so, or 16 years. HERKES: Even if their district wants them. YUEN: But, that's the result of term limits, that no matter how popular the person may turn out to be, you always have to get rid of them. HERKES: I understand. YUEN: What I'm suggesting, though, is there's not a study that tells you 22