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what the pros and cons are. It's a decision that has to be made, whether it's just going
<br />to be an eight year cap or whether it's going to go potentially to sixteen years.
<br />RAY: George.
<br />MARTIN: The two-year hiatus, if someone is popular, gives them the
<br />opportunity to run again, and if they are that good, they'll be re-elected. It's just a
<br />comment. I guess a motion is in order to have Chris to write it as eight year cap in both
<br />manners; the person and the position, so that there be no finagling done, or say, well,
<br />they talked about the person, and as I heard mention over here, if you move district,
<br />then it changes. So the person and the position, eight year max. Now, we can still play
<br />with the 6-3, which I think is a great idea, and if we want to put a four-year, that, in
<br />itself, is a different issue. If we put four years on the at -Targe, no problem, but there's
<br />still an eight year max, no matter which way you look at it.
<br />IRVINE: Eight consecutive, right?
<br />MARTIN: Consecutive, correct.
<br />RAY: Roland.
<br />HIGASHI: I don't have a problem with eight consecutive years, upon adoption
<br />of this Amendment, where the at -large person would begin for eight consecutive years.
<br />I think we need to, kind of, establish the beginning date. If a person is already six
<br />years in office, it would preclude him from running for the at -large.
<br />MARTIN: Correct.
<br />HIGASHI: And I think we shouldn't preclude anybody from running for office
<br />at the beginning. After that, eight consecutive years, I have no problem with that, if
<br />there is term limits. I'm one that probably proposed that no term limit as another
<br />Amendment, all by itself. I mean, it's not tied in, just maybe have a term limit, but if the
<br />Amendment with no term limits would pass -
<br />RAY: We looked at this in all these different permutations and
<br />combinations because I introduced the four-year term limits, so how that would effect
<br />people in office and whatever, and one way you might look at that, Roland, is that if
<br />you'd been in office for three terms, or six years, the one exception would be you could
<br />run for an additional four-year term, because it's really hard to make it fair for
<br />everybody, wherever they might be, and in whatever cycle.
<br />HERKES: Because it's not fair. Basically, it's not fair.
<br />RAY: I remember we couldn't make it come out perfectly because of
<br />when the term limits had taken place, which, to the shock of everybody in office, was
<br />the day they were voted on in 1996, that's when the 4 two-year terms started, and
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