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election or do you want to tie it in with the off cycle of the Mayor's election, or you could start with a two-year in 2002, and then go to four years in 2004, if you want. It complicates it. There's not really a legal reason, but it's more to look at the practicality of it. I'm trying to just raise, as part of the practicalities, that perhaps some of your mayoral candidates will come from the ranks of the three at -Targe, and if their terms are co -extensive with the Mayor's term, then their term ends, they run for Mayor. If it's on the off cycle, then in the mid-term of their four-year term, then they run for Mayor. And there's dynamics either way. I just want to point that out. HERKES: But none of those dynamics are things that voters understand, and the problem is that kind of thinking leads us into language on a ballot that the voters cannot understand. It leads us into a whole bunch of things that voters don't care about. They want it clear; when does this start; you're leading the language, you're personalizing it. Just simple language is what we want on our ballot. RAY: Let me ask Chris another question, too. Just the whole idea of a four-year delay for implement - that's a real negative. Things change so much in four years, it just - HERKES: to do. Yes, let's do it. Yes, in four years, we'll think of something different • YUEN: I definitely agree that delaying implementation to 2004 is a negative. I'm bringing up when it takes place and the political connection with the Mayor's term, just as a practical issue that will play a role in the politics of the future, depending upon how this is decided. RAY: No, I think that's a good point to bring up. George. MARTIN: With that implementation and staggering it, whether two or four, if in fact we write it, could it be implemented - no, it couldn't be implemented in this election. RAY: John. SANTANGELO: Understanding that I left the room for a moment, then, if we go to the six and three, the four-year on the at -large, and just set it at eight years, and you can't, no matter what, then it's equally unfair to anybody. RAY: That's the motion that's on the floor right now. SANTANGELO: Oh good. So, that's what happened when I was out of the room? I support it. KUROZAWA: But you were here when the motion was made. 28