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this, and I don't know what the latest Opinion is. They may have said something like, in connection with the Wal-Mart re -zoning, we don't have any zoning authority at alt over Hawaiian Homes land. I don't know if I agree with that or not. At any rate, that's not something that can be decided on the level of this Charter. It's a matter of what is the State law regarding zoning, and what is the State law regarding Hawaiian Homes Commission. The Charter does properly say that the Hawaiian Homes lands are within the County, and how that plays out as far as specific questions, and the tough area of zoning is another legal question that really is outside of this particular Charter. My own view on that, by the way, if I were to say something about it, is that the County zoning cannot frustrate the purposes of the Hawaiian Homes Act. 1 don't know if 1 would go so far as to say that the County has absolutely no zoning authority. But, that's it in a nutshell. JIM: I'd like to reply. Can I? RAY: Sure. So, in regard to services, especially public health and safety, that's the response I'm interested in. Are you really suggesting that the County completely divorce itself in terms of public health and safety on Hawaiian Home lands? JIM: through saying. Let me answer that, that public safety, what this gentleman just got RAY: Okay. JIM: I think you have to understand, and with respect to the attorneys, they talk a lot. Put the provisions in front of them because there's a Constitutional provision of Hawaiian Homes. As far as the road maintaining, our position, you're just janitors. You're getting paid for do that, that jurisdiction. And that is on Section 2-20. Look at it. You're janitors. That's all you are. Now as far as the land is concerned, read Heely vs. OHA. It tells you clearly. Mr. Heely, the judge, ruled the State don't own the land of Hawaiian Homes and 5(0 clearly tells that. The Supreme Court just rules really real good, the Cayetano, but they don't. They're stockholders, (Indiscernible) Read it very, very close. That's who we are. HERKES: Are you answering John's question? JIM: That's his answer, and his answer is saying that. you have authority. You don't. But I'm going to tell you we can suggest things. And as far as the public and the services, those are just encroachment of Hawaiian Home Act. HERKES: JIM: Thank you. And number 2, if things will come up with those benefits that can 12