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• don't understand when they wrote the U.S. Constitution, at that time, there was no police. By design, the police is a military force. They're in uniform and armed. The 10th Amendment reads `powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.' The original constitution, as adopted, was never amended, so all military powers rest with Congress under Article 1, Section A, Clause 11 through 18, okay? So you can't create a Commission to usurp that power and the HRS's 52(d), they create the Police Commission. RAY: Dwight, looking at the larger picture, the Charter, what do you suggest as Charter Commission members? I mean, specifically you're addressing a part of the Charter, but what - VICENTE: Well, my view is that the State of Hawaii is illegal so they cannot create anything, any creature, besides themselves. The question is where did they get the legal authority from. RAY: So, you're saying this whole process - VICENTE: Is all illegal. RAY: Is invalid in your mind. VICENTE: It's in conflict with the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence because when you read the Constitution, even the Admission Act, they cite Hawaii being treated under the Northwest Ordinance. We were never part of the Northwest Ordinance. That was under the Articles of Confederation which was short lived, only about two years. So, why they cite that in the Admission Act? And in keeping in tradition, they're going to continue doing - Under that power, Congress had the authority to create a temporary government and turn that lands outside of the United States into states, but that was repealed. That's Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2. It reads 'Congress shall have power to dispose of, meaning get rid of. That's not a Article 1, Section 8 power, which is where Congress has to initiate. RAY: I'm not a constitutional authority. I'm not an authority on the Charter, so this is all really way over my head to respond, to tell you the truth. We're just trying to do our job in regard to the Charter. VICENTE: But, can you usurp power over someone without their consent? Apparently Hawaii has two publics, for most people that don't realize that. There's a general public and there's Hawaiian Homes Commission Act which defines one public, and I fall in between the two. 1 meet not the blood quantum nor am I in the general public, so I'm in limbo. And I find a problem. How can you run a government with two publics? The Constitution speak of only one, so there's a lot of conflict in law