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me, this county's getting paid for doing it. There's a section in the Act that says that what you do, so you can do in there, within that section, because that section clearly says if you need, you go inside to the legislature and you get your funds. We don't know. The process might be a record keeping something. It might be inclusion. I really don't know, but there is a process. What has been left out is we're left out of the process. And people say they assume that they can continue to do it because we've doing it. That's what the Native Hawaiians hear. We can go on your land and do what we do because we've been doing it. We can go here and do this, and make the sewers, because we've been doing it. Well, that was the big controversy within this county in the last week, the County Council. Why do we have the right to go on the land without having the land dedicated, without having the right to get on there? Perpetual easement. And they're not getting it but they're saying it's all right, after saying no, we don't have the jurisdiction, the Corporate Counsel said, but we've been doing it so we can continue. That's an assumption until someone challenges it. For 20 years they let only Hawaiians vote for OHA until somebody said hey, wait, maybe I'm being left out of the pie. And when he challenged it, it was challenged and found 20 years they were doing it wrong. So, I'm just trying to express to you, by example, that by virtue of language, they say we've been doing it and it's all right. And we've come forward to say we do not believe that. We believe there's a process and the right way to do it, and do it the right way. JIM: We're not against the police powers. We're not against police powers over Hawaiian home lands. We believe that's safety for public. What we find • what is wrong is that there are some things being abused and some are not, so you need to balance. But, that's not the issue with us. Our issue is the law, and you need to follow your law, and that's where it's at. And there's process to balance it. You're going to get your up and down, but there's process to balance it. It just takes time. I know it's very odd when you find Native Hawaiians like us coming up before you, and we only ask you that - in the past that I've seen and heard, they ignore their law, the Constitution, Article 12. They just ignore it and just do what they want to do. And we took process five years ago, and take lawsuits. Now we're prepared to go and fight, and now we will fight unless somebody change it. And this body, I believe, is the right step to start it off. Thank you. Any other questions? • RAY: Questions? Daryl. KUROZAWA: I just want to have a clarification, actually. In the recommendation you have for changes, for incorporation, is it - I know that the incorporation portion, you seem to basically exclude Native Hawaiians from incorporation. I may understand this actually, but is it your feeling that the Charter shouldn't apply to Native Hawaiians? Is that what the wording means? JIM: Read Cayetano's transcript. Read everything. We are special class, separate. Your Constitution does that. KUROZAWA: Okay, then I understand that. Then my next question to you is do 8