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we're not like City and County, which is so much smaller and more homogenized. We have a whole different dynamic in terms of the size and diversity of the island. So, think people really like the nine districts representation. IRVINE: Obviously people like the nine districts, and we've had a lot of testimony about that, and there were people that mentioned our inconsistency, and I would agree with you, that we should probably go nine and have them coming from each Council district as set up now. RAY: Okay, so then we have other testimony in regard to the Fire Commission from Mr. Holschuh, language in regard to emergency medical services. He also testified in regard to the length of experience for the Fire Chief. His recommendation was expanding that tol 0 years. I don't know how anybody feels about that. And then also from Mr. Ben we had testimony, Michael Ben, written testimony in regard to Department Head Qualifications and removal of the Fire Chief. So we need to look at that and discuss it. And he had a number of questions in regard to the consistency of qualification requirements. So we need to, everybody, take a look at that and see how we want to address it, including adding qualifications for the Director of Personnel, which I left out with my original list of qualifications. So, I'II play around with that before the 29th and see if we can improve on that. YUEN: The Civil Service Director position is spelled out in State Law and there's a State Supreme Court decision that says that the State Law supercedes anything in the Charter. You'd have to put in exactly what it says in the State Law anyway, and rather than bother doing that, I think we'd be better off just leaving it. RAY: See, if you'd have been there, all these public hearings, we could have cleared that up right there. Okay, well, that's a good answer for that one. Department of Environmental Services. I, kind of, like the name Environmental Management' more. HERKES: Environmental what? RAY: Management. The other thing that's come up in regard to this is the testimony from Mr. Boucher about including non point source pollution. I don't know that we necessarily need to do that in the Charter. That can be something by ordinance that they could deal with. HERKES: I think if you do it, you'll end up with a laundry list of things that people want. IRVINE: I think that's a really important - Everybody I talked to, sort of, in these other departments and stuff, said that that's what it's all about. It isn't a specific little thing. Recycling is much more specific than non point source pollution. 24