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HERKES: That's right. RAY: Just like the at -large seats could come from anywhere. MARTIN: Exactly. They could all come from Kona. IRVINE: On the other hand, John, if we're going to do this, there was that subsequent issue that we hadn't settled about whether we should be staggered with the Mayor's election, and I think we probably shouldn't. HERKES: Now that's a discussion I don't think we need to have tonight. IRVINE: Okay. HERKES: Because that goes on and on and on. RAY: Yes, but a discussion that is pertinent is if we don't do this, then we 'Won't have this conflict with the Council Districts which would be a lot cleaner way to deal with that. Anyway, number 3, County Managing Director. HERKES: In spite of the Portuguese Chamber of Commerce, I'm very much in favor of this. I'd like to speak for it. I think it clarifies a lot of County government. I think it's better management. I think it's easier to put in the qualifications for Department Heads. This, to me, is the most important part. RAY: Any other comments on the Managing Director? IRVINE: I guess my comment on this was when Roland and I went to the Big Island Business Council, Barry Taniguchi said the perception is that we're creating another department. RAY: Okay, we'll deal with that. I haven't talked to any group that didn't immediately understand it when I went through it, explained it to them in the language, and I've talked to quite a few groups about it already. So, I think we can do a good job educating on that. Fire Commission. HERKES: Hooray. RAY: Just for simplicity sake, I'm going to suggest that we do a nine - member Commission vs. a five -member. It just seems to be more uniform and it just seems to make sense in people's minds why we're creating a Commission smaller in number. I can't think of any good reason actually. I mean, it's a little bit simpler. But 23