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HERKES: I did. I moved to take it off the ballot. IRVINE: All right. For the same reasons. We need a real internal audit and we weren't able to turn that office into it so I think we should just remove it. HERKES: RAY: Leave it alone. More discussion? SANTANGELO: Just real quick. I know what some of the Chambers that I sit on, and their facts. They oppose this, and mainly because they misunderstood it, and you and I both sat on the Council. We know what needs to be done and I think Ms. Herkes articulated it quite well. And it is their mess and they'll have to deal with it. I think it was a good try on our part but there's more important things, and this doesn't need to cloud it, so I will be voting against this. RAY: Any other testimony? AH in favor of deleting, raise your right hand. HANDS RAISED: All Commissioners. HIGASHI: Mr. Chair, I. move to delete number 11. RAY: Number 11 is the Qualifications of Heads of the Departments • of Public Works and Water Supply. This is the amendment that would delete the requirement that those departments be headed by a registered engineer. So if this is deleted, that requirement would stay in place. We have a second? ALONZO: Second. RAY: Discussion? BESS: I have a question. I understand the sense is that we want to reinsert that both of these people be professional engineers, and registered engineers, but are we saying that we're also going to omit 'the Director shall have had a minimum of five years experience in an administrative capacity'? RAY: No, my understanding is that we would delete this one and then in the Department Head Qualifications, which is number 15 on most people's list, we would add, so it would still say they would have to be a registered engineer, but in addition, they would have to have five years of administrative service. BESS: All right. HERKES: Promise. IRVINE: Yes, with that understanding. 19