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• cause the Police Commission to get farther involved in the Police Department without helping solve the problem of real oversight. The Police Commission should not be involved in running the Police Department. The Police Chief is the only person who should do that. When you blur the lines of command, you cause more problems than you solve. And the way I read it, the amendment put in by the Police Commission would simply do that, simply put them more involved inside the Police Department. Whoever set up the Police Commission before did at least one good thing and that was to keep the Police Commission completely out of the day-to-day operations of the Police Department. That should be a linear, military -type chain of command so there's no confusion for the people who are out on the street with their lives sometimes depending upon the fact that they know what their chain of command is. And to set up a Fire Commission that would essentially be the same kind of thing, with no real control, or no real oversight of the Fire Department, would be a mistake. I urge you, still, to put before the voters the opportunity to have the Police Commission and the Fire Commission, if you wish to put it in, appointed not by one person. Have the Police Commission and the Fire Commission, one member from each district, appointed by the Council member from that district and approved by the rest of the Council before they are appointed. The reason being we cut out some of the political influence that occurs when one person appoints the people who are overseeing a part of the government that's run by the person appointing them. It's just a total conflict of interest. To give you some insight into this, it's come to our attention in the last week or so that Wayne Carvalho may have falsified a federal document — a document required to be filled out by someone in the County, and it's required by Executive Order. This is a document which would allow us to get marijuana eradication funds from the Federal Government, and they have what they call an OJP, an Office of Justices Program, form that has to be attached with this. And that OJP form requires that the person signing it certify three things: (1) that the money won't be used for lobbying; — and there's a purpose for me telling you this. I'm sorry. (2) there's a debarment, and (3) that we try to have a drug free workplace. The debarment is the key. The debarment says that you certify that the person signing this has not been convicted of civil fraud or civil bribery within the last three years. Mr. Carvalho signed this document on the 11th of April. I guess he can't remember back to December. The problem is we can't get rid of him, and here's what's happened. The County of Hawaii has also been convicted of these things. We may not be able to get any drug control money for the next three years because we can't get rid -of the guy. We need a Police Commission that has clear authority to oversee this, that's completely separated from the Executive management of the County, and has the independence to take things into their own hands, and not controlled by politics. This is a true fact. This document is now in the hands of the FBI, and they will be looking at it. And, of course, the County Council asked the Corporation Counsel to look into it, but we may have a problem with that. Now, in addition to the problem of getting rid of the person, we're stuck with the liability of this because we can't get rid of him, so that brings us to the second thing — the proposed Charter that I told you, which would be the second possibility, is to allow all officers of the County to be impeachable. If we could have impeached Mr. Carvalho, 2