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of the Police Commission were baiting Officer Tanny Cazimero. It was so sickening. Walter Moe was going on about how he felt afraid to be in there because Officer Cazimero had his •gun, and the Police Commission had two officers in there who were brought in specifically to arrest and remove me if I caused trouble, who were in full uniform with their guns. The whole right side of the Police Commission was attacking both myself and Officer Cazimero in an attempt to get us to break, or something, so they could get us removed. This was a clear attempt to cover. • • RAY: HERKES: Okay, I think we're straying a little bit from the — Yes, we don't need to live that all over again. PRANKE: Back to your point. Yes, it's true, they could if they wanted to, but as long as they're appointed by one person, we can't be sure that they will ever do anything except for what they're told to be. One other thing happened with the Police Commission — it was a prior Commission but it was under the current Mayor — was that all of the people who applied for the job of Police Commission had their personal record books sent to the Mayor by the Police Commission illegally. And this was the first time that there was a majority on that Police Commission that had been appointed. That's in their records. That's in their minutes. This has not been a well run Police Commission since it's inception, but the point is this could happen again. It's not just because it's this Mayor. It could happen again under any other Mayor if we don't get it straightened out. And it's a simple thing. The oversight committees aren't necessary to running the community like the Water Board and the other Commissions are; the Planning Commission. They are oversight Commissions and they shouldn't be appointed by the people they're supposed to oversee. Thank you. I know I've said that before. RAY: Thank you. Jim Otterson, followed by Curtis Tyler. OTTERSON: I thought I was in the wrong place. The sun was shining here today. Anyway - HERKES: It's raining in Kona, though. We're happy. OTTERSON: I'm sure you should be. It's very nice out there. I just wanted to ask a few questions. But talking about the Police Chief here brings up something that I know I've talked to you before. But if this Police Chief — I'm going to say it again — if he would have had somebody keeping tabs of him; him having a progress report every six months and once a year, you wouldn't have had these problems. You would have had it all documented, everything down that he has done or hasn't done. And the only one that can do that is — Well, the Mayor could but evidently he doesn't. A City Manager — Here I go again — would do that. He has the power to do that. He has the power to keep all of the records on a Police Chief, and I've seen that done, and I've seen them get, rid of a Police Chief in the same manner. You also have a Police Commission, but the one that keeps the report on the Police Chief, he is the boss. The Police Chief here, it doesn't seem like he has to reckon to anybody. I mean, it seems as though he's God, really. And that shouldn't be. Somebody should be his boss. But anyway, like I've told you that before; I'm going to say it again and I just did. 3