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five -ninth's majority select a Council Manager or a City Manager, it seems to me simple enough to have a super majority that's appropriate. I don't know if that's 6 or 7 but I'm thinking more and more that our society, our American democracy, question mark, really is a tyranny of the majority. We don't want to do things with a 51% majority, we want to set up a system that forces us to spend enough time to come to a consensus that we agree and then we work together and get something done. And anything you can do as you're considering all these proposals that will work towards that end, I think, is going to help the community and if it's well thought out and aimed at forming consensus and problem solving instead of maintaining power control with the barest of majority or minority, then maybe this bundle will be easier to pass. And I know last time it seems like there were a couple loaded things that went through and something wasn't supposed to get approved and it did and then something else, you know. The community's awake now and I don't think there's a chance anymore to slip anything in and I know there are pressures from different quarters to achieve different objectives and I think it's time to make this a truly open citizen process for citizen government. Thank you. RAY: Any questions? Yes, Marni. HERKES: Jeff, several of your comments were what we do. We will not be doing anything but drafting up proposals. It will be an elected process. It will be voting. We won't do anything. You will do it. You, the voters, will do it and so every time somebody comes up and says what we do, we're just here to kind of collect testimony and to come out with some kinds of consensus as to the kinds of things that we're hearing and that's why we're asking a lot of questions is so that we can kind of delve into what you're really thinking so that we can start to do that process. TURNER: Right and I appreciate that and the time you're all putting in however, you're going to write legislation that we get an up or down vote and we don't get to modify it or amend it and that's what this process is for is - HERKES: That's what you're doing tonight. TURNER: Right. RAY: Mr. Santangelo. SANTANGELO: Got a couple of things. I'm sure it was just a grammatical but you said reach consensus in which we all agree and consensus isn't when you agree. TURNER: Well yes, I was taking that to an illogical extreme. Reach some substantial degree of consensus that will work. 13