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• Okay? When you're an engineer who's good at designing and expanding wells and water delivery systems, that becomes the glasses through which you view the world and in our discussions in the Waimea Water Round Table and it's a good process and I'm really glad that I'm invited and play a part in that, I asked Mr. Pavao, and I brought it up in there, that if we're in a time of tight budgets in government, it's important for us to look at least cost solutions to our County's needs, whether they're businesses or residences or whatever our needs are, it's really important to look at least cost options. Okay, if you're an engineer that's drilling wells and building pipelines, that's your only solution and you don't look at water efficiency. You don't look at other least cost solutions that are being implemented as we speak, around the country by forward thinking people who don't have a supply mentality. The demand side management can yield more water for less cost and yet the County government has no mechanism for actually doing those evaluations and that's why I've advocated in print, an integrated water resource management planning process and that will eventually come to this island because the County Department of Water Supply now does not look at the least cost options and all the public input and accountability that goes into what would be an integrated water resource plan and planning process. And so again, the process is important and that this be implemented and I guess it's going to be funded by the State government after they're done with Oahu. Anyway, so the Manager should be able to hire the engineers he needs but he needs to direct policy and be able to do assessments and financial assessments of the least cost ways to supply water needs • and not necessarily how to build more pipelines to provide the water services. Our needs aren't in terms of gallons per day. Our needs are in terms of cold water to drink and water for our crops. I have a nursery business so you know I'm very concerned that agricultural water be available but at a least cost and that the total array of options be mandated by the planning process. • Under Section 8-5. Administrative Supervision. Department of Water Supply. I would like to see that come under the general supervision and control of the County Council just because if the Water Commission is then appointed by the Council or by election, then have the Department of Water Supply be under the supervision of the Council because it means more accountability. Right now they're semi -autonomous. They have their own water fund which I'm not against necessarily. I don't understand the water fund as well as I might so I'm not going to make a recommendation at this time on how that's structured. I do know that the Department of Water Supply also has a policy of maintaining the same rates for water, no matter what community you live in. You still pay X dollars per thousand gallons whether you live in an old community like Pahala where the water has been implemented years ago and is very inexpensive, and a new system that may cost tens of, or at least several millions of dollars, to bring water to some of the newer areas of the county and there's no necessary reason that I can see that the water rates paid by particular users need to be the same if the costs of the counties are different, or one part of the county - if it costs more to develop water in Kona, maybe the Kona people should pay more water than in Hilo. Right now, I don't 20