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• GRAHAM: I guess you just try to write the language as neutral as you can in that balance of power and then just accept that it will swing one way or the other with the personalities. But if the language itself is oriented one way or the other, then I think you have something to correct. HERKES: And I think you'll have to recognize that the Council has given up power to the Planning Commission along the way. They give up their power to the Planning - there are decisions that the Planning Commission's been empowered to make that really should be made by the County Council but in the past years, they've had not enough time, they've had other issues and so they've given up that power to the Planning Commission. I'm not sure you can legislate that. I'm not sure you can write that into - they get to do what they want to do. They are a legislative body. So that's a recognition of some dynamics that are interesting in there too. 1 • GRAHAM: Sure. RAY: Since Marni brought it up, Bill, in terms of the Planning Commission, the authority of the Planning Commission and also the physical jurisdiction, I know in times in the past, the idea of separate Planning Commissions for whether it's East and West Hawaii, but I think it was more an issue of the workload, right? What was realistic for a lay volunteer group to take on, right? That it just seemed like an awful lot, right? And I know you've been so involved in that process over the years so do you have any thoughts or comments on both the authority issue because we've certainly discussed that at the County Council in the past, the idea. And you know, it works differently in different counties in the state, right? GRAHAM: Well, I don't generally think of the Planning Commission as somebody with a lot of authority other than the SMA permits. And those are ones that are obviously controversial. RAY: And so you don't think that is - that's not an issue with you, their jurisdiction over the SMA permits? GRAHAM: No, it is very much an issue and for that reason, I think it is important, what you're saying, how we deal with the Planning Commission. RAY: As far as the workload, I mean, is it your sense that the way it works now is realistic in terms of the enormous amount of research and the number of meetings. GRAHAM: I sure think it feels like the amount of work they have to do is a lot and they're obviously getting minimal compensation for it, mileage or something like that, so you'd get better input from somebody who's been on a Planning Commission but it seems to me, to spread the load around amongst more people like two Planning