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for signing petitions to impeach Norman Mizuguchi, or something, just because he's also in the State Senate, when I have a Senator in the State Senate. So, it just feels like it would be wrong for me to try to impeachment a Councilman from Puna, or something like that. RAY: Okay, but most of the Council issues are island -wide, countywide in nature, so from that standpoint they do effect you as an island citizen. GRAHAM: I was just going to say most of the issues of State Legislature are statewide too, but I don't feel that I should be trying to vote for impeachment of Norman Mizuguchi because of some way he voted on some bills, or whatever other thing bothers me. That's all. It doesn't seem that it is a hard change for you to make. If you want to elevate the percent to 5%, or something, within his district, it seems like an easy thing. It's not like you, sort of, have to do it this way. HERKES: See, that's a real tough issue for me, too, because I feel term limits infringe upon my right to elect whom 1 want, and so that impeachment in your district - having somebody else reach into your district and impeach the candidate that you elected to represent you is really hard. I guess the vote we took was island -wide, but I guess that's what we'll have to go through and see what comes out. RAY: It is complicated by this 6-3 proposal as well, so you try to accommodate what may happen and that's something that, of course, is being proposed on the ballot, so obviously you have to consider that. So, we're just trying to come up with something that's not too complicated. I think that certainly had some influence on going with this just one uniform approach. GRAHAM: Okay. Let me just use that as a transition into my main issue, of course, which is it feels to me like the main thing - I mean, I don't like the 6-3 proposal that you're having on the Council districts and last time you were here, I gave you a lot of detail about why I felt people like myself like single member districts, and all that stuff. So let me just put that opposition of mine in a little bit of another light rather than trying to go over it again. Your Chairman, John Ray, sent me a copy of all this and when I tried reading all this material, it's hard to make myself read it. It's easier to follow it when John's here talking to you about why we did this and why we did that. But for me to just grab and start reading about something or other in the detail stuff, 1 don't want to do it. I want to go read a book, or I want to go watch TV, or I want to go outside, or do something. I don't want to do it. So, 1 think what's going to happen is when it comes time to November and the voters are dealing with the stuff on the ballot, and they're going to get something in the mail, they don't want to deal with it. So the point I'm stressing is there's really two main issues I feel that you're dealing with here. One is the non-partisan elections and the other is changing of the Council. Changing the Council elections, to me, can poison the whole thing you're doing. People are not going to be reading about a department head or the Board of Appeals and try to make an honest vote on the validity of whether that's a good change to the Charter. Maybe one in ten people who vote will actually do that. So, 1 feel like the whole integrity and 12