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that a representative -type situation too. I don't think we've succeeded on it to this point but to make it more palatable. I hear what you're saying and, I guess, a look of impropriety might be there, but it's not. Again, you don't lose anything. You actually gain. GRAHAM: Well, obviously I lose something or I wouldn't be here speaking to you about it, right? You may not perceive what I perceive that I lose, and if that's the way you feel, that's fine, but clearly I believe I lose something and I'm educated on this issue. MARTIN: Well again, I guess I'm asking for an explanation from you and in there lies the question, what are you losing? GRAHAM: What I'm losing is three of the nine members of the Council, as the Mayor, will be voted on island -wide which means they will court the entrenched powers. As 1 perceive them, they will court for the money they need and the backing and influence of the Unions, of big business, of whatever, and they will, along with a couple of other members of the other districts become a strong majority on the Council, and they will have the jump into the Mayor's Office more natural than running island - wide. I perceive that as a big Toss for the power of my single member representative. MARTIN: But again, I understand what you're saying there too. I guess the counter is you still have six vs. three so to come in and have - RAY: Six vs. nine. MARTIN: Well, I'm using the 6-3. RAY: Okay. MARTIN: If in fact it does pass, you have three at -large. They have no power because the six still outweigh them and outnumber them. And the single members, if they were to ban together, if there were a problem, outnumber them. GRAHAM: The six members will not ban together, because they're all from different areas of the island, and they all have different interests and things like that. MARTIN: So with that said, and that's where I'm coming from, and coming from Hamakua and having a great representative on the Council right now in Dominic, and him not being able to pass because nobody else wanted to back him up for certain things, or the Mayor perhaps didn't want, he now has an ally because we, as individuals, voted for three other people. So now we can go visit those three and couple up with our guy, and now we have four. We have a stronger voice in certain situations. GRAHAM: Okay. I just would say in the old days, we had nine guys we voted 14