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M for, and we had our own representative from Kohala-Waimea which was Kalani Schutte, right? So we could go talk to Kalani Schutte and he could go along with the other eight guys in the island, and all like that. Unfortunately, that didn't bring the kind of diversity, and representation, and value that we have out of the current Council, in my view. HERKES:. You guys in Kohala, as I said before when you came, have had some very strong Council people, Ikuo Hisaoka, Kalani Schutte, who have really done a lot of management - GRAHAM: Excuse me. What do you mean by that? HERKES: Who have really done a lot of the management of the Council in the years past and brought a lot of things to your district, which I assume is why you're electing Council people, is to get the amenities to your district and to be able to provide services to your district. Now, in the 6-3 scenario, what I'm looking for, from Kona, is another representative. We have North Kona and South Kona, and I'm looking for another representative to represent that district. As Mr. Ray has pointed out, it doesn't happen in the Senate and I may not get it in the Council, but that's up to me. That's something I can work on is get somebody to run. I'm not a member of the Green Party but I was very pleased to hear, and I can't validate this, that they are in favor of this, because they see a possibility to get another representative. So there's a lot of different ways to look at this, and I encourage you to try and see where we're coming from. Where we represent our particular districts, we're trying to broaden our representation, and then we'll fight it out on the Council when we get a broader representation. GRAHAM: Let me just say I think it would be smart for you to explicitly say, at some point to the public, whatever, what is really wrong now that you're trying to fix because you have a straight forward system right now. The straight forward system we have works like the U.S. Congress. It works like the State Legislature. And you're taking a straight forward system and you're making it quite convoluted, and the convolution that you're putting shows up all through here, how does the Reapportionment Commission work, how do the Board members work, how does the term limits work. These convolutions ripple all through your document and mess things up in the terms of complexity. Maybe they don't mess it up in how they work, but in complexity. So, in order for you to bring a convoluted thing through, and present it for the voters and ask the voters to approve of it, even though people like me can say I don't like it for this or that reason, I feel like you need to come through and say it's worth doing all this convolution. It's worth us doing this because this is what it's really going to do for us. And I don't hear that coming from you very much, that's all. And let me pass this on to Fred, too, so he can say what he wants to say. RAY: 0 IRVINE: Sue, first. 1 just want to thank Bill for coming and I'm hearing you. 15