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Council districts. It's something that's followed in an awful lot of jurisdictions. That's not to say it's the best thing for here, but it's a very widely used model vs. the thing that Keola suggested. The other one seemed even more convoluted and harder to understand, or whatever. The other thing that has appeal for this, from an efficiency standpoint, is you'd eliminate those nine districts, as far as having to deal with them in terms of elections and separate balloting, and whatever. It'd make it a lot simpler if you go with the six House Districts and then that makes the election process simpler, a little more efficient, if you look at it that way. So, you could say that's another argument. You go with your State Districts and somehow deal with that. HOLSCHUH: Forgive me for not - maybe this is written somewhere and I just didn't understand it. The at -large seats would be at -large island -wide, everybody votes, and they can come from anywhere, three people, but theoretically be elected from Kohala, anywhere. Actually, you just made a comment about the Senate Districts. Was there any thought to linking the at -large to the Senate Districts and what happened with that? HERKES: They voted it down. RAY: discussed that. We just decided that was not the way to go. But, yes, we IRVINE: John, the reason behind thinking that that wasn't any big 11111 improvement is that everybody could still come from Hilo because of the nature of our - RAY: Could still come from East Hawaii. IRVINE: Yes. HERKES: Look where our Senators come from now. I proposed that and John pointed out where Kona Senators come from now, or where they live. John, can I say that they told me this is not the appropriate time to bring this up. There are 14,000 people in each Council district now. 1 think that's too many. I'd like to see Council people representing 10,000 people. We're doing a census. We'll do a reapportionment and that is maybe the time that we'd look at how many people - I think there's going to be 15 or 16,000 in each Council district when we do our reapportionment, so how many, and that's what I'd like Bill Graham to look at - How many people should be in each Council district? Should we have more than nine people on the Council? Should we have more than six single member districts? Should we have 10,000 people in each district? Can a person represent 15 - 16,000? That won't come up for two years, until we do the reapportionment, till we see where the Council districts - but the Reapportionment Commission is certainly the one to handle that, and that's where I'd like to see some change. But, this is not the time to do it. rRAY: Sounds like you're kind of arguing against your vote for the six 17