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HIGASHI: I think the word `convoluted' may be a wrong word. I think we're still striving to make sure that the Commissions that we addressed are represented well, so the representation of making the Commission is to ensure that we still have nine members, and they come from specific districts. So in the Commissions, so that it doesn't get confused with the 6-3, or whatever, we took special consideration to make sure that each Commission, where there is 9, can come from single member districts that are now. Many of them are not. Some are seven under the old system. Some are six historical districts and three at -large. And just let me add, the other idea that I've heard people from Puna say, at least they have an opportunity to vote for four Councilmen who may represent them. So, that's another way of looking at it. GRAHAM: Yes, I understand that. We used to have the opportunity to vote for nine. HIGASHI: Right, right, right, right. MARTIN: I guess to touch upon something you said earlier about the system being broken. I don't think we looked at it as being broken. I, myself, looked at it as being an opportunity to have change and giving the voters the opportunity, if in fact they want the change. As you're saying, there may be a majority that doesn't want it, and it'll not pass, no problem. As least give them the opportunity, and as our Chair has mentioned earlier, once it does become final, it becomes a sale, right? And we have to put this out in the manner that people are willing to accept it and understand it. I think that's going to be the key. Whether they're for it or against it is going to be their prerogative, but a good salesman can sell ice to an Eskimo, and that's what it comes down to. HOLSCHUH: Let me just ask a question. Fred Holschuh from Honokaa. I didn't ask to testify but 1 was just curious. 1 understand a letter suggesting, and I'm not suggesting this is the right way to do it, but I had heard about this letter that was sent, I guess, to you and the Council about suggesting the districts be enlarged with two representatives from each district, so there'd be four districts, creating eight people, and then the Chair elected island -wide. Was that considered by the Commission, and whatever happened to that idea, and is there still a possibility to consider that? RAY: We talked about that from that standpoint, and I don't think anybody thought that was a particularly good idea so there was no advocacy from anybody here. I mean, there are lots of scenarios. You could use the Senate Districts and go with three members from each Senate District. It's kind of a simple way to look at it. What is being suggested now, by far, follows the more standard model throughout the country that's employed. This is a pretty standard way of doing things, the six single member and the three at -large, and the variation on that that the one person island -wide be the Council Chair. A lot of folks go with the highest vote getter of the at -large seats as the Council Chair, or the Mayor. So, that's a standard way, but I think that's something we do need to point out. This is a very common way of organizing the 16