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ROSS: Now, then what happened is the arresting officer, one of the five <br />arresting officers - Imagine, 75 years old - And the Case Manager of the Kamuela <br />police stated to the Police Commission investigator - I have those papers if you want <br />them added - that they don't know what the Constitution is. They did. I mean, you <br />know, they were sworn in on the Constitution. They didn't know, when I said the word <br />`Constitution', they didn't know what I was talking about. 'I don't know anything about <br />these things', and so on. I think, you know, this deserves some attention and sufficient <br />to put it in the Charter maybe. Okay. The Police Commission did not ask for <br />statements under oath from the policemen, which is absolutely a mistake. It was all <br />done under the table in a secret meeting and so on, which is absolutely unnecessary <br />because there's no privilege involved accept addresses and phone numbers, and they <br />can leave them out. As far as I'm concerned, they can leave a lot of other things out <br />too, but it ought to be a public hearing. All courts are public. This was a kangaroo <br />hearing. I don't know what they discussed at all. Anyway, it concluded that my <br />complaint was unfounded, maybe not that word, but whatever. I just made this up. <br />IRVINE: Henry, was this the Police Commission you're talking about? <br />ROSS: Yes, the Police Commission. <br />IRVINE: Okay. <br />ROSS: They refused me a contested case hearing, which I have a right <br />• under Chapter 91. They refused that, and they're going to refuse it again in an <br />upcoming case. All deliberations were behind closed doors, and as I said, that was <br />illegal under Chapters 91, 92, and 92(f). Then I found out later the police erased a part <br />of the tapes of the case which had timely been asked the prosecutor to preserve, and <br />with a copy to the Chief of Police, etc., etc., they are not there. I have statements in the <br />form of depositions and so on, that the guy in charge of the documents in the police <br />station does not have anything else but the police report and one other document. The <br />rest has been destroyed, obviously, if you ask me, to hide their mistakes that were <br />made, like the unnecessarily being arrested and things like that, and whatever, upon a <br />false complaint, by the way. <br />RAY: Henry, could you submit to us exactly what you'd like to see <br />changed in the Charter? You asked to go first in terms of your testimony - <br />ROSS: Yes, I'm almost done. <br />RAY: And you're really just going over this one particular instance, and <br />the issues involved in that, and I think we really need for you to submit to us - <br />ROSS: <br />are happening. <br />I'm giving you the background. You're not aware that these things <br />10 <br />