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RAY: Okay, thank you, Milton. <br />• PAVAO: <br />is this - <br />RAY: <br />further. <br />Would it be beneficial for me to stay when you go through that, or <br />We're just taking input today, so we're not going to be discussing it <br />PAVAO: Okay, thank you. <br />RAY: Okay, Curtis Beck. <br />BECK: Mr. Ray, Mr. Santangelo, Ms. Irvine, good morning. My name's <br />Curtis Beck. I am a Professional Licensed Mechanical Engineer, registered in the <br />State of Hawaii since 1983, currently employed by Hawaii Electric Light Company. I've <br />attached my card for identification only. I'm here to represent the Hawaii Society of <br />Professional Engineers which I'II refer to from now on as HSPE for brevity, being <br />opposed to the proposal that the Heads of the Department of Public Works and <br />Department of Water Supply be licensed in the State of Hawaii as Professional <br />Engineers, or P.E.'s. First, I'd like to say that there's some confusion in the terms <br />`licensing' or `registration'. They actually mean the same thing. I understand that the <br />Board of Registration is trying to get away from the word `registered' engineers and <br />trying to go to the term `licensed', so I'll try to use the term `licensed'. Both of the <br />positions, that is the two heads of the departments, require application of engineering <br />expertise and skill in administering programs dealing with public health and safety. <br />Some would say that these positions require more administrative and managerial skills <br />than technical skills. HSPE believes they require all of these skills. Further, HSPE <br />believes that engineers make excellent managers and they should be promoted to <br />policy-making positions, especially when the management of the engineering functions <br />is involved. Finally, the professional engineering licensure process gives the public <br />confidence that the engineer in charge is competent and responsible, and will apply a <br />disciplined, scientific approach to problem -solving in the real word. The HSPE feels <br />that the Professional Engineer, the P.E., best meets the multi -faceted needs of these <br />positions. <br />We are aware that qualifications for similar positions around the country are diverse, <br />far from uniform. We did go to the internet, to the site of the American Public Works <br />Association, where they list positions that are available across the country, and we <br />found that approximately 60% of the listings either required or preferred the P.E. <br />licensure and the rest were silent on this, although many did ask for at least some <br />technical or engineering qualifications. Nonetheless, HSPE encourages the County of <br />Hawaii to retain P.E. licensure requirement for the two positions in question, as the <br />county's best means for safeguarding public health and safety, as well as for meeting <br />18 <br />