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develop it, and if I didn't know how to do it, they wouldn't have answers. The <br />management part, administration part, is a part too, but from what I've seen, it's, I <br />wouldn't say minimal, but it's not a major part of it. Administration would include <br />personnel, direction, stuff like that, and believe me, you learn fast. You learn fast. <br />RAY: Okay. Sue, do you have a question? <br />IRVINE: Yes, I guess I did, concerning the same thing. They were having <br />trouble in Public Works with this business of registered engineer. Would you mind if <br />we just took the registered out of there and said engineer? Would that - <br />PAVAO: I think that would be a disservice because say, for example, Public <br />Works and us, when we design plans, when we have consultants to plans, whatever, it <br />has to be signed by a registered engineer. So if the Department Head is not a <br />registered engineer, then he cannot put his name on the plan and take responsibility. <br />SANTANGELO: So there's a delegation here. If you had to delegate one or the <br />other, you're saying you'd rather delegate the administrative part of it to an assistant, or <br />something, rather than the technical? <br />PAVAO: I already have. We have a wonderful personnel specialist that <br />constantly seek advice from. That's in the matters of personnel. <br />SANTANGELO: And as far as signing off on plans, if you're not a registered <br />engineer, say hypothetically, like Ms. Irvine mentioned, if you have staff that are - <br />PAVAO: They could sign it. <br />SANTANGELO: They could. <br />PAVAO: As the plans have to be signed by a registered engineer. <br />SANTANGELO: And does that, in any way, erode your authority or your ability to - <br />PAVAO: I would feel uncomfortable if somebody else is signing something <br />for me that I'm responsible for. I need to know what I'm signing, what's it for. <br />IRVINE: I know this is a little bit out of your kuleana maybe, but is that true <br />in Public Works as well, that registered engineers would have to sign certain <br />documents? <br />PAVAO: I'm certain it is. <br />IRVINE: I see some heads nodding in back. Okay. <br />17 <br />