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• <br />that's anti -democratic. In addition, you're enlarging the size of each Council district, <br />making the Council members even more remote from very diverse districts. I think that's <br />a gross disservice to the public. I think, given the current climate of people wanting <br />campaign finance reform, adopting at -large districts for the Council is the complete <br />antithesis of campaign finance reform. It encourages more big money to influence the <br />campaign process, and that's not the way people want to go. So, I really urge you to <br />remove that from your list of things going to the voters. If you remove that, I think <br />you've got a pretty good set of recommendations to the voters. If you don't, you're <br />going to antagonize a large element of the public and you risk having everything voted <br />down. Thank you. <br />HERKES: Mr. Ray, I have a question for Mr. Frankel. Do you know how <br />much, let's pick Chairman Arakaki, spent on his last campaign? <br />FRANKEL: I don't. <br />HERKES: Okay, I would suspect that he spent about as much in a single <br />district asyoucan spend in an island -wide race. I don't have those figures, but I'm <br />certainly going to look them up because I think the money angle is not appropriate. <br />think you can spend just as much money in a single district race as you can in an <br />island -wide race. I want to vote for four people. That's why I'm in favor of this. I want <br />to have a broader representation for Kona than is now, so that's why I'm in favor. But <br />don't have the figures to really compare the island -wide race compared to the single <br />district race, and I think money is not really where I'm at. <br />FRANKEL: I think you raise an important issue, and I think you should look at <br />that information. There are going to be anomalies. For example, we all know that <br />Apana did not spend as much money as Dante Carpenter, but I think we all realize that <br />that was an anomaly if you take a look at it, and look at it statistically. Let's look at the <br />successful Council races. Look at how much the average member spent in the last <br />election, or the last two elections. Compare that to the average amount spent on the <br />winning candidate, or even combine the winning and losing candidates for Mayor. <br />You'll find, in the at -large races, far more money was spent. Far more money. You may <br />find, like I say, one or two anomalies but on average, by having more races require <br />more money, you do reduce the importance of the individual voter. That's something <br />that the League of Women Voters has been working on. <br />HERKES: I don't agree. I'm a member of the League of Women Voters. <br />FRANKEL: Yes, I know. <br />IRVINE: May I? <br />RAY: Sue. <br />13 <br />