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CHR. HAITSUKA: Do we have any other questions for these witnesses? Ms. Jarman. MS. JARMAN: I noticed that throughout the Charter, most of the department heads have to have something other than a minimum of five years experience in an administrative capacity. They have to have to have some experience related to whatever that department is. But, we don't have that for Parks and Recreation. Do you have any comments on that? You might even appoint a lawyer, and what does a lawyer know about Parks and Recreation? I don't know why that isn't there. There's that nice language under the Managing Director that has five years experience, and then it says, "... and shall possess demonstrable education and or professional experience as required of the office." This seems to indicate they need to have done something in relationship to Parks and Recreation, if we added something like that. Do you think that makes sense, or do you think we should add something like that? I know Alapaki probably thinks, just leave it the way it is; it's fine; we don't care; or take it all out. We have the Director and the Deputy Director of Parks and Recreation here. What do you think? CHR. HAITSUKA: Mr. Fitzgerald, any comments? MR. FITZGERALD: As far as Parks and Recreation, remember it's an appointed position by the Mayor, and as far as the experience level - -I know this isn't referring to myself- -but, I don't think the Mayor is going to appoint somebody to the Department of Parks and Recreation Director that he doesn't feel would be qualified to be able to do the job in the first place. Particular case, myself, I wasn't exactly in this field, but at the same time, I've been doing it for many, many years. I think the way I read the Charter, and what it said before, it's really under the discretion of the Mayor on who he is appointing. So, as far as a comment one way or the other, I think experience would dictate what the Mayor would feel comfortable appointing, as far as the job. Obviously, it's a big department, so managerial skills would fit in. Remember, Parks and Recreation is very, very broad; it's cemeteries, it's pools; it's culture; it's really about having experience in management skills as far as regulating many employees, and many things to do with labor besides just programs. It's a very, very broad department; probably the broadest in the system. I don't know if Clayton has more to say about that. MR. HONMA: I think Bob is absolutely right. When you get into the Department of Parks and Recreation, people don't understand the broadness of the job. But I believe what Bob said, the Mayor knows who he wants to appoint into these positions. As far as the language in the Charter, I feel it is alright what it states in there. MS. JARMAN: Thank you. CHR. HAITSUKA: Are there any further questions for these witnesses? Thank you very much. Mr. Nahale -a. MR. NAHALE -A: Could you repeat? Was the proposal to eliminate Section 6 -3.4? 16