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CHR. HAITSUKA: It's actually in Mr. Ben's communication. MR. NAHALE -A: Is this consistent with what the recommendation was in Mr. Ben's communication? CHR. HAITSUKA: That's correct. I think Mr. Ben's recommendation makes it clear that the bandmasters are appointed by the Mayor, the band members are appointed by the bandmasters, and it looks like he's recommending taking out the approval of the Managing Director and the reference to exemption to civil service laws. Any further discussion on Chapter 3? Char, do we have someone from Public Works? We can move on to Chapter 4, Hawaii Fire Department, Section 6 -4.1. Do we have someone from the Fire Department? Any discussion on Section 6 -4.1? Ms. Jarman. MS. JARMAN: I was thinking for internal consistency, the Hawaii Fire Department ought to be in Article VII. Article VII appears to be all of the departments that are not appointed by the Mayor. They are appointed by a Commission, and most of the departments that are not appointed by the Mayor are in this section. Just for consistency, it might be worth it to move the Fire Department over into Article VII. It's not a big deal, just for consistency. CHR. HAITSUKA: Is that something we want the Commission attorney to prepare a proposed amendment? MS. JARMAN: Nobody is objecting to that, it makes sense. CHR. HAITSUKA: Alright, I will request him to do so. Any discussion on Section 6 -4.2? There being no discussion, let's move on to Section 6 -4.3, Fire Chief. Any discussion? MS. JARMAN: I just had a question, but there are no firemen here. I just wondered, five years experience as a fire person to become chief seems like so little experience to become a chief, but I don't know anything about firefighting so, I just wanted to ask a generic question. Does the fire chief feel like that is a reasonable length of time? CHR. HAITSUKA: Perhaps we can invite someone from the Fire Department back again, and we can revisit this section. MS. JARMAN: Or, he could just write us a letter. He wouldn't have to come back. But, if they feel there's a problem, that could be something that the Mayor could address and if nobody thinks it's a problem, then just don't worry about it. Is that okay, Mr. Chair? CHR. HAITSUKA: Yes, Ms. Jarman. Any further discussion on Section 6 -4.3? If there is no further discussion, let's move on to Section 6 -4.4, Powers, Duties and Functions. Any discussion on this section? Let's move on to Section 6 -4.5. No discussion, let's move on to Section 6 -4.6. Any discussion? CHR. HAITSUKA: Are you here for Chapter 8? 17