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MS. JARMAN: In a sense, you can help the careers out of young engineers so that they can get that final experience to get that final registration. MR. LEE: That is correct. To answer that question, also, is that the way the civil service is structured right now, using the civil engineers as an example, we have positions called Civil Engineer I, Civil Engineer II, III and IV. To be a Civil Engineer V, you need to be registered. Then, there is a Civil Engineer VI position, and the Division Head is Civil Engineer VII. Then there is the Director of Public Works. So, you have a series of requirements that - - -I don't want it to sound like there is only one registered engineer in the whole County of Hawaii, and that has to be the director. It is a professional licensing program, and there are certain requirements for certain positions because of the degree of difficulty in the job descriptions assigned, that you have different ratings of Civil Engineers. The things that are common to the V, VI, and VII levels are the professional requirement. MS. JARMAN: Thank you, that helped me a lot. I appreciate it. CHR. HAITSUKA: Any other questions of Mr. Lee? Thank you, Mr. Lee. Any discussion on Section 6 -2.1, 6 -2.2, Section 6 -2.3? Let's finish this Article with Chapter 9, and then take a 10 minute break. MR. NAHALE -A: I have an overall question as to why in some sections the Powers and Duties just describe an ordinance and others are articulated in the Charter. Some sections, the Powers, Duties and Functions, they just reference the Code, and other sections the Powers, Duties and Functions are enumerated in the Charter itself. Is there some rhyme or reason as to why that is the case? MR. MASUDA: Not that I know of. For some things, where it's going to be a developing area, or an area that is constantly moving, you are going to want to have the requirements in the Code, versus the Charter, so it can be amended quicker. But, none of these seem like something that is going to be developing so fast that you cannot put it in the Charter. CHR. HAITSUKA: Chapter 9 is Miscellaneous. We have Section 6 -9.1, the Clerical Pool. Any discussion? No discussion, let's move on to Section 6 -9.2, the Board of Appeals. Any discussion? My only comment is that it seems odd that it is in this location. Maybe it should be under the Planning Department. Other than that, I don't have any comments. MS. KAWAUCHI: I would agree. Should we ask our attorney to draft an amendment? CHR. HAITSUKA: I can have him do one amendment that would cover some of the movements we have talked about. Ms. Jarman. MS. JARMAN: I notice that they actually do final decisions of both the Planning Director and the Director of Public Works, so maybe that's why it's separate, I don't know. Under (a) it says, "Hear and determine appeals from final decisions of the planning director or the director of public works regarding matters within their respective jurisdictions." 24