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license. Today, you need to have four years experience working under a licensed engineer, <br />and you need to pass an eight hour exam to get a license. The exam tests your knowledge on <br />design factors, and your ability to do calculations correctly. So, there's a big difference. <br />Every engineer's goal is to have his license. Without a license you cannot practice as an <br />engineer. It is equivalent to passing the bar for an attorney. It's pretty much the same. <br />MS. JARMAN: But, is a registered engineer and a registered professional engineer the same <br />thing? <br />MR. PAVAO: There is no difference; it's just a registered engineer. <br />MS. JARMAN: No difference, okay. That was my question, because the head of the <br />Department of Public Works has to be a registered professional engineer, and I just wondered <br />if there was a difference between the two. <br />MR. PAVAO: No, every professional engineer is registered. <br />CHR. HAITSUKA: Are there any other questions for Mr. Pavao? Thank you, Mr. Pavao. <br />MR. PAVAO: Thank you. <br />MS. JARMAN: Mr. Chair, should we ask our counsel to make that change about the <br />Manager, Chief Engineer? <br />CHR. HAITSUKA: Alright, I'll add that to the list for Levi. Is there any discussion <br />regarding Article VIII, Sections 8 -1, 8 -2, 8 -3, 8 -4 and 8 -5? No discussion. That concludes <br />our discussion today on Articles VII and VIII. <br />REPORTS <br />CHR. HAITSUKA: Next on our agenda is Reports, and we don't have any reports. <br />REFERRALS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION <br />CHR. HAITSUKA: Let's move on to Referrals for Executive Session. We don't have any <br />referrals. <br />ANNOUNCEMENTS <br />CHR. HAITSUKA: The next item on our agenda is Announcements. Our next meeting is <br />scheduled to be on July 10, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. Ms. Kawauchi. <br />33 <br />