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MS. PAKELE: Bottom is good. CHR. HAITSUKA: Are there any questions for Ms. Pakele? We have Mr. Takase here. MS. JARMAN: How is the Liquor Adjudication Board working? Does that function pretty well? Are you happy with that? Is there any need to change it, add qualifications or anything like that? MS. PAKELE: No. CHR. HAITSUKA: Any questions, discussion? Thank you. MS. PAKELE: Thank you. CHR. HAITSUKA: So, that concludes Article VII. Let's move on to Article VIII, Department of Water Supply. We have Mr. Pavao here if there are any questions for Mr. Pavao. (Note: At this time, Milton Pavao, Manager, Department of Water Supply, came forward to address the members of the Commission.) MR. PAVAO: Good afternoon, again. CHR. HAITSUKA: Thank you, thank you for staying around. We're looking at Article VII, Sections 8 -1, 8 -2, 8 -3, 8 -4 and 8 -5. Do we have any discussion or questions for Mr. Pavao? Mr. Pavao, I think your department's position is that you don't see any need for change to any of these sections at this point in time. MR. PAVAO: No, I don't see any need, but one thing you might consider is that the water utilities are kind of unique in the State of Hawaii. We have our own association - -it's the Hawaii Waterworks Association -- comprised of each water department from all the islands. In each instance, except for the Big Island, the head of the department is Manager, Chief Engineer, and rightfully so. The position requires that you be a licensed engineer so that you really can understand the workings of the water supply, the engineering aspects, and the design aspects. So, you might consider, and I know it's a real trivial thing, but you might consider wherever you see the word Manager in Article VIII, that it be changed to Manager, Chief Engineer, to be consistent with the rest of the counties, and to rightfully describe the position adequately. CHR. HAITSUKA: Alright, thank you. Any questions? Ms. Jarman. MS. JARMAN: What's the difference between professional engineer and a registered engineer? MR. PAVAO: A lot. An engineer is an engineer that graduates from college and works under a licensed engineer. To become a licensed engineer, it is different from when I got my 32